what should be the role of Hindu Identity?

What should be the role of Hindu Identity?

Should Hindu identity be the one which replaces or suppresses all other jathi and regional identity?

or Should Hindu identity be a base on which all other regional and jathi identities flourish and grow?

Most urban hindus and a large section of hindutvavadis are dreaming for a hindu unity where people discard all existing jathi identities and identify as hindus first.   These people doesnt understand that this will only lead to homogenisation of our society rather than unity.

Some section of people, want all people to put hindu identity before their jathi identity.  They want hindu identity to be top cover for all other identities.

What i am demanding is that every jathi be seen as a branch of the larger tree, and let Hindu identity be the fertile based in which all these regional identities thrive.  Which means, we all will identify ourselves based on our jathi, and be united at sub-conscious level through the hindu identity. Here, all other identities are allowed to get prominance and hindu identity as fertilse base for them to grow.

This is what happening today.  Most of the jathis identify themselves as hindus, but want their jathi identity to be retained.  Whereas the urban folks want these jathi identities to be destroyed.   Thus there is a hostility b/w these two different sections of our society.  Its time that we have to end this conflict and constitutionally recognise jathi as part of our hindu society.

I prepared this chart in one of the debate i participated recently, .  Hope, it conveys my message.

Role of Hindu Identity

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Telengana – the continuing debate

My previous article on telengana had evoked a mixed response from lot of people.  I am compiling all my responses in this post.

Lakshman’s counter article:

Lakshman PST has written a detailed article opposing my concept of separate telengana.  Although this needs a detailed answer, i am giving a short response here.

He has provided some details about social composition of andhra.  But he made a self goal in his article.  Because, his listing of Niyogi Brahmins itself, supports my point that telengana was a separate cultural region.  Have a look at his statement.

We have marriage alliances with all Niyogi jaatis of the state like Golkonda Vyaapaarulu, Telaganya Niyogi, KaranaKamma Niyogi, Velanati Niyogi, Pakanati Niyogi, Dravida Niyogi etc.

There is a separate caste called Telangana Niyogi, which means, those Niyogi community who hails from Telengana Region.  This itself is a proof for  telengana.

Many other points raised by him are important but requires detailed analysis.  If time permits, will post my detailed response in future.

Response to @Nyaya:

Commenter @nyaya was vigorously opposing my article, based on his “United Andhra” concept.  He was dragging so many issues like language, urduisation, conversion, mini-pakistan, and many other issues.  Let me deal with those issues here.

Telengana – a separate dhesam from mahabharatha times:

I gave the following links on mahabharatha that refer telengana in different names.  In Bhisma Parva, the dhesams of bharatha varsha is listed down.  In that, the talavahanas were mentioned as people living b/w andhra and kalinga.

There is only one speculative refernece to Telingas in the epic Mahabharata. During the southern millitary campaign of the Pandava general Sahadeva he is mentioned as defeating a tribe called Talavanas, between Andhras and Kalingas. This reference is belived to be of the Telingas.

The main contention of @nyaya is that how can we take talavahanas as Telinga, as the name is NOT used.

My point is that the location of Talavahanas match the Telengana region as existing today. Look at the map below.


Uttara Andhra is Kalinga Dhesam:

@nyaya doesnt accept that uttara andhra is kalinga.  In turn he says that Orissa is the kalinga dhesam.   He did not give any logical reason NOR any substantiation.

Orissa was originally the Odra dhesa, and is self evident from the website of Orissa government.  Pls refer the below links.


Origin of Name of Orissa

I am reproducing the Quote from the above links.

In the Mahabharata the Odras are mentioned along with the Paundras, Utkals, Mekalas, Kalingas and Andhras, while according to Manu the Odras are associated with the Paundrakas, Dravidas, Kambojas, Yavanas, Sakas, Paradas, Pallhavas, Chinas, Kiratas and Khasas.

So it is very clear that kalinga dhesa is different from Odra Dhesa from above.  Also, why should Kalinga dhesa be named “Orissa”?

In our areas, there is a separate caste called “Oddars”.  The very name itself denotes their ethnic roots.

The current linguistic state was created by Britishers in 1936.  Why should we take this colonial creation of orissa as legimate?

The reality is that the southern part of orissa and northern part of andhra (called Uttara andhra), and few border areas of chatisgarh state constitute kalinga dhesam.  The Northern Orissa is the actual Odra Dhesam.

If @nyaya doesnt agree this, he should substantiate with appropriate logical reasoning or facts.  Blunt denial is not a right way.

Culture vs Kulachar

My contention is that the term “culture” comes from our indic root “Kulachar” (as of now, i could not find any material to substantiate.  Willing to change if proved wrong ).

Kulachar means the strict life code of a particular “Kulam” (or Jathi).  The classical meaning of the term “culture” also more or less meant the same.  However, the usage became changed in later days, where culture was used to denote all type of fancy things.

The Urban Indians, educated in western system, sees our culture as some thing fancy and fashion, and see it in a cinematic way.  For them, culture is about delicious foods, colourful dress, joyous festival, and all other aspects of “Loukika Life”.

Whereas in traditional bharath, KulaChara means the jathi restriction, dos and donts.  So every jathi had their own “Acharam” to follow, according to the area they live in and the occupation they do.

For eg, a brahmin, who has to do vedic rites, has to maintain highest acharams..  whereas a farmer has some relaxation.  A leather working community, may not be able follow the “acharam” of other communities, but have their own set of acharams.

This is what our original value system was.

This extreme difference of perception of culture, has led to distorted understanding of our history and society.

@nyaya and @surya, do not accept my contention and in turn say “Culture” means “Samskriti”.  Whereas my stand is that Samskrit means Refined, and NOT cultured.  It is the Kulachara that can be equated to culture.

Is Language More Important Than culture?

@nyaya says Language is a medium where people understand their culture and hence it is more important.

Whereas my stance is that our “Kulachara” is based on what people follow in their life and NOT based on reading of any textbook.  Language is used by different jathis of our society for mere communication, and NOT for any intellectual work.  Since every jathi occupation was hereditary, people learn their occupation by practice and NOT from classrooms (as it happens today).  Hence importance of language was secondary.

Language was needed to impart “Neethi” and NOT “acharam”.  For eg, my grandfather was taught about “Neethi” in schools, while he acquired achara from family tradition.

The reason why @nyaya feels language is important is because of his westernised perception of Fanciful “Culture”.  This is the problem with most urban indians, who are stripped of their “Kula Acharams” by macaulay education.

Does small states means Mini-Pakistan??

@nyaya says that telengana will lead to Muslims getting more powerful. Let us look at the demographics of Current United Andhra & Separate Telengana

Muslim Population in Current United Andhra Pradesh = 9.2 %  (88.88% Hindu )

Muslim population in Separate Telengana = 12.4 % (84% Hindu ).

There is not much change in Demography due to creation of Telengana.

However, the power of muslims will be drastically reduced in telengana state because of the native telengana people will regain their dominance and ownership of polity, economy and land.   To understand how this will happen, we need to understand the relation b/w social network of people and their geographical coverage.

In traditional bharathiya society, the matrimonial alliance was done based on geography and Kulam.  So people settling in different dhesams marry only within the geographical boundaries and among their jathi.  Even 20 years before, people will not give brides across rivers, for variety of reasons.   Even today, those who work in IT sector still chooses bride/groom only from their native areas.

Considering this angle, the social network thru matrimonial relations are confined within the cultural regions (andhra, seema,  telengana and kalinga).  In United Andhra state, none of these four different social groups would be able to dominate the polity or economy. There will be a stalemate.  The muslim and christians will derive their power ONLY in such stalemate, where by shifting their small vote bloc to political parties, they derive dis-proportional leverage.

Whereas, if we divide the state in to four, each region will be dominated by their own native people, and will be able to assert their historical ownership and rights.  The power & influence of muslims and christians will be reduced against the collective cultural consolidation of native people.

Will telengana lead to Christian Domination?

The population of Christians in telengana is very negligible. (again another proof on how christianity wont work in traditional society).  Although officially christians in andhra are said to be 1.5%, in reality they may be around 10-18%, due to large scale conversions in past 10 years.

@nyaya is saying christians will get more powerful if we divide large state in to smaller ones.  But in reality, it is in the United Andhra pradesh, the christian conversion was at highest.  He doesnt answer this point, which was raised by @vyasa too.

The issue was NOT about bigger or smaller states.  The issue was about centralisation of power.  In current United AP, all the control was wrested with Hyderabad, and all the four cultural regions, were powerless, and every decision was taken at the capital.  So the christians who were able to capture the power thru YSR (& Congress ) were able to acquire unlimited power and destroy all four regions.

Whereas if we had smaller states, even if christians capture one region, the other three regions will be spared.

The main anti-dote to christian assault is decentralisation of power.  My stance is that even in separate telengana, the power should be decentralised based on our ancient native administrative systems.

Come out of Christian and Muslim Phobias:

Most of the arguments by @nyaya is based on fear psychosis of “Christian & Muslim Domination”.  His argument goes like this – “If we do this, muslims will get powerful.  If we do that, christians will get powerful”.  This is nothing but Phobia out of imagination of fear (the fear may be real or apparent).  We cannot fight a war, if we shiver just by thought of it.

The Urban Indians are plagued by this Abrahamo-Phobias, because they are struggling with an identity crisis.  Most urban hindus are atomised individuals, working in some corporate companies.  They dont have any ownership of the resources in urban centers, NOR do they have any collective conscience.   Also they are totally dis-connected from the traditional society of bharath.   In such situation, their phobias are understandable.

Our thinking and planning should be based on our own strengths and weaknesses.  If we are always obsessed with what enemy is doing, our defeat would be certain.  While we should be aware of enemy’s strengths & moves, our actions and strategy should be based on our own capabilities.

My strategy is that by splitting Andhra pradhesh in to 4 regions, we would be saving majority of areas by isolating influence of christians to particular region.   Even in that particular region, the local consolidation of native hindu population (based on culture)  will be an effective checkmate.  (For eg, in goa, eventhough christians are majority, they could not fully dominate).

Instead of whining out of phobias, we have to play our own game, and wage our own battle.  Fearing about losses are cowardly.

Secularism will die a natural death in Cultural States:

Another important point to note is that secularism will become obsolete and meaningless in telengana (or in any cultural states).  Because the secular & liberal morons will not have any place in cultural regions.  So far, these people were able to control their discourse, through the centralised state machinery, by enacting laws against our society, and also by using the centralised police force.  They would not be able to do that any more.  Secularism always had effect ONLY in metros where the power was concentrated and among uprooted urban populations.


I have consolidated all my responses in this article.  Would like to know the responses of the readers.

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Toilets, Temples, Modi & Development.

My article published in vijayvaani, that counters modi’ speech on “toilets first temples later”.

This time, i have created a powerpoint presentation to explain key points in this article.  Had included this at the end of this article.


The Urban Coteria deciding modi’s agenda has to answer who is going to clean all those toilets that he intends to build?



Some months ago, this writer met a regional co-ordinator of an NGO which focuses on sanitation in rural areas. During the course of a casual conversation, he complained that each village family spends more than Rs. 10,000 for festivals annually, but is not ready to spend Rs. 3000 for building a toilet. The writer felt outraged at this linking of toilets and the celebration of divinities.

Anyway, one asked if the toilet system his NGO was promoting was water intensive, and if so, how were village people to manage the water, when they had to struggle daily to get their drinking water from public taps. The gentleman had no answer.

Most NGOs and persons who speak on the issue of sanitation operate on the basis of urban stereotypes, without any real understanding of our society or the issues it faces. More importantly, running NGOs is an easy way to build a career and it is rewarding to continue upholding the stereotypes rather than to seek genuine solutions.

But when a prime ministerial candidate speaks the same stereotypes, it is a matter of grave concern. At the finale of a youth gathering, Manthan, in Delhi recently, Narendra Modi stated that we (Indians) have to build toilets first and then temples later. As reported in the media, he said, “I am known to be a Hindutva leader. My image does not permit to say so, but I dare to say. My real thought is – pehle shauchalaya, phir devalaya” (toilet first, temple later).

The statement sent tremors of dismay all over what may be regarded as Narendra Modi’s “natural constituency”. The utterly cavalier fashion in which the Gujarat Chief Minister juxtaposed toilets with temples with an eye to score secular brownie points, shook the confidence of all who hoped he would shatter the tentacles of the entrenched anti-Hindu ethos of the Nehruvian State system. Instead, he played along.

Clearly, Narendra Modi does not understand either the concept of temples or the concept of personal hygiene (sauch) in our civilisation. He seems to have surrendered himself completely to the Western framework of sanitation, as programmes in Gujarat suggest.

True, the pressure of population, growing urbanization, and the absence of open spaces has made and is now making toilets a rural imperative. But before we move to condemn a whole nation, we must understand the system we are trying to overturn. Are we merely trying to ape the West, or counter criticism from the West, or are we interested in improving the quality of life of our people in conformity with the new social reality of their lives?

In the West, society wants people to dress properly, regardless of whether or not they have taken a bath. But in our dharmic civilisation, personal hygiene, cleanliness, mental purity, and kula acharams are the parameters within which a person must function. Here, the need to maintain personal cleanliness is more important than personal comfort. Hence, traditionally, people preferred to perform their ablutions in places far away from home, even if it involved discomfort. The toilet system has long been alien to rural India; people hated defecating in confined spaces, having to bear the bad smell.

The sastras prescribed strict rules on how to defecate. Manu Smriti says one has to roll out his sacred threads and put them on the right ear, and look at the sky while defecating. Manu Smriti Vishnu Purana gives guidelines regarding the distance to be maintained from a water source, a river, a temple, while urinating or defecating. There are several rules regarding the direction to look, and how to clean oneself after defecation. While rules may differ in different sastras, the core idea is same – defecation has to be done in the open, and far away from home, temple, rivers and water source.

Scientifically, it has been established that toilets are breeding place of germs, more than any other part of the house. The toilet tap has the highest concentration of germs.

More pertinently, the western toilet system is water intensive and totally unsustainable in the Indian reality. Each flushing of the toilet takes at least 10 litres of water. An average person thus consumes around 50 litres of water for toilet alone. A family of four needs around 200 litres of water daily for toilets alone. For 25 crore families of India, one would 50 billion litres of water daily. Does India have it?

Already in villages, there is water scarcity. In my own village, people buy water for drinking and cooking in summer, when the bore wells go dry.

More pertinently, the water used in toilets is flushed into septic tanks, where it remains stagnant for years and become poisonous. When the tank is full, the water and solid waste are drained into the rivers and water sources. Toilet water forms the bulk of sewage discharged by major cities and towns. Is this sanitation? Our holy rivers, the Ganga and Yamuna, are virtually sewage dumps today, and if there is no fresh water from the Himalayas, all these wastes would stagnate there and devastate the metros.

Septic tanks are one of the largest breeding grounds of mosquitoes, leading to spread of germs. They also emit greenhouse gases and contribute to global warming. Imagine, crores of such systems emitting methane on a daily basis.

A major question which none of those who advocate the toilet system will answer is – who will clean all the toilets being built?

 Construction and NGO lobbies are using the sanitation propaganda for their own interests. NGOs in particular are using this route to dump foreign funding in India for all manner of purposes, one of which is conversion.


 Urbanisation is destroying our dharmic civilisation. After 1947, Jawaharlal Nehru who claimed to be last Englishman to rule India, unleashed a massive westernisation programme, of which urbanisation was a part. Most Hindu intellectuals mistakenly believe that as Indian civilisation also had Nagaras in the past, urbanisation is not wrong. But the urban system of the west is not same as the Nagara of our civilisation, and villages of the west are not the same as the Gramas of our country. The wrongful equation of western concepts with Indian concepts has led to the devastation of our dharmic society.

Grama is the permanent living place in our traditional society. Nagara is an administrative capital, and people come to the nagara on a temporary basis for trade and not for permanent settlement. A typical grama had all the facilities needed for the people, and even today we can find at least a dozen different jatis living in a grama practicing different occupations.

The nagara and grama are not an ever-expanding entity. The Nagara is designed within a fixed boundary. Protective deities (usually male gods, eg Karuppanar and Muneeswaran in Tamil Nadu) are installed at the borders of the grama and nagara and other temples at the center. In our civilisation, these gods protect the people living there and these gods are still worshipped as kula devata.

Within a nagara and grama, different jatis live in their own colony, with their own god or goddess which they worship regularly. The King would build a magnificent temple (Shiva temple, Vishnu temple and the temple for the king’s kula devata) at the center of nagara. When the population increases, new gramas & nagaras are created rather than mindlessly expanding the current one, as we are doing today.

These indigenous civilisational designs are completely ignored by the policy designers of our country. Our Hindu Intellectuals utterly failed to understand these aspects, and there has been no indigenous research on any of our civilisational designs.

For six decades, the western urban system has been indiscriminately built over our well designed Indian nagaras and gramas, continuously expanding by destroying and engulfing the villages in the periphery. The protective border deities, and the gods of each jati settlement (Sthana Devata) and the grama devata all become unwanted street temples in the new westernised urban center. Later, in the name of development, these street temples are demolished on the order of the Indian Judiciary. (When Modi destroyed more than 300 temples in Gandhinagar in the name of development, there is high possibility that those deities were once the protective gods of villages destroyed for urban expansion.

(See Radha Rajan http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=1528 &


 Open Spaces

Open defecation is never a problem in a typical grama environment. People go to nearby fields and the waste is automatically decomposed within a day or two. Traditionally, the villagers dig pit in the fields, defecate and close them with soil. The problem arises only when this grama structure is destroyed to expand the city, and all open space is colonised for commercial purposes.

As in all propaganda against our dharmic society, here too, the victim is accused by the perpetrator. Urban India which accuses villagers of being unhygienic, ignores the fact that it has colonised the villagers’ land.

Another reason for the problem of defecation is the collapse of the traditional Grama Panchayat, which regulated the daily administration of villages. Before 1947, every grama was a self-governing autonomous entity, with rights to regulate their own land. They religiously protected the forest land within and around their villages through collective decisions.

But westernised urban India paralyzed the functioning of the traditional grama panchayats and deprived rural people of the power to regulate themselves. Thus open space within the grama became prone to occupation by both insiders and outsiders. Dharampal, in his book “Panchayat Raj”, explains the existence of two kind of panchayats in the gramas of Rajasthan during the 1960s. One, the Sarkar Panchayat, which is run for name’s sake, and the other the traditional Panchayat where all important decisions are taken. This latter is now most probably extinct, thanks to the tsunami of globalisation.

UN standards

 The present sanitation programme is not designed by Indians for Indian needs, but defined by the United Nations as a Universal Standard of development, which is being foisted on every nation. An illusion is created that if there is no toilet, there is no sanitation. A casual analysis of current toilet system, however, shows it is the most unhygienic entity in the world, and spreads germs and diseases rather than open defecation.

Toilet and Women

An emotional point raised by Narendra Modi in support of the toilet system is that it is humiliating to women to defecate in public. His concerns are right, but his understanding of the issue is wrong. The issue here is about privacy for women and not about the toilet system.  Women in villages have no issues with open defecation as long as they have a private space. That calls for an appropriate village design. And it is cheaper and healthier than forcing them to build individual toilets.

 Open defecation is not suitable to the European climate, where decomposition is not easy. Hence they need to build toilets for protection from the weather and for sanitation. Our traditional system was based on our environmental situation.

 Indus Valley Civilisation

 Many urban Hindus often cite the Indus valley civilisation to claim we had toilets in that remote era, but there is no proper substantiation for this. The photographs available indicate only bathrooms and not toilets. If indeed toilets were part of the Indus Valley civilisation, why were they not present in latter day nagaras? Kautilya in Arthasastra provides a detailed account of how a nagara should be designed, but never mentions toilets there. Similarly, all major nagaras of the pre-Islamic period, had no toilet system.

Nor do we find references to toilets in our Itihasas like Ramayana and Mahabharata. Our gods Rama and Sita did not build toilets in forests; nor they build toilets in their palaces. Our people who built magnificent temples, did not build magnificent toilets. Why?

The entire history of the world has been written on the basis of the western thought framework. Civilisation is also defined according to the western paradigm. Big buildings, drainages, sewages, and other infrastructure are the benchmarks of this definition. In contrast, in our dharmic system, personal hygiene, conduct, and simple living are the benchmarks of civilisation. The term kalacharam itself denotes the “Acharams” that everyone follows, and not the buildings or palaces. But urban India which inherited unlimited absolute power from the British, sees everything from the western perspective and frames policies that are hostile to our traditional life style.

 Toilets or Temples

 Now we come to the core question. Which is important for us – toilet, as urban Indians demand, or temples that traditional society gives priority to?

Again, it is a matter of perspective. Urban Indians see temples as a place of worship at par with a church or mosque. But Indian tradition views the temple as the place where the Deva / Devi resides. The whole grama / Nagara belongs to the Deva and Devi who protects the people living in her place. In the Ramayana, when Hanuman lands in Lanka, it is the Lankadevi who fights him and is defeated by him. Even in our recent history, the Travancore ruler announced that his entire kingdom belongs to Sri Padmanabha Swami.

There is an inherent consciousness in our traditional society that the deity of the grama and nagara is supreme and hence it is a foremost duty to conduct the poojas and rituals to the grama devata as per established schedule. This consciousness was undermined by the colonial administration which introduced the concept of private land ownership 200 years ago. Hence the urban centres consider land as private entity, and urban Indians think toilets are more important than temples or divinities.

 Modi’s attitude more damaging than his words

 Whether Narendra Modi has insulted Hindu sentiments is not the issue. But the attitude he conveys is a matter of concern. Modi is conveying a message that human comfort is supreme and gods and temples are secondary and take second place. This is a western capitalistic mindset that is very dangerous. It creeps into the mind insidiously and destroys society and nation from within.

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Native Brahmins and Non-Native Brahmins

Few days back, i came across a Choliya Brahmin through my friend.  While casually interacting with him, there was a discussion about the sharp divide among different sects of brahmins.  In that he was saying that the Vadama brahmins treats them as untouchables, and will perform purification when the choliya brahmins entered their house.

This was very interesting to me, and as usual, i wanted to explore more on this.  I asked him more about this, and i am summarising what he explained to me.

The vadama brahmins are those brahmins who came from North long back, and they enjoyed more power in Chola kingdom than the choliya brahmins who already lived there. The Choliya brahmins were called as Tamil Brahmins.  There is no matrimonial alliance b/w the vadama and tamil brahmins, eventhough both are smarthas.  The vadama consider themselves as superior than choliya brahmins and wont allow them inside their houses. The religious rites for the deceased (like Thithi, etc) was attended mostly by the tamil brahmins, whereas the vadama do the more lucrative yaga and yagnyas for the royals.  Because of this, the choliya brahmins, who do such low end jobs are NOT respected. He said, that those who homams earn a lot, but those who do rites for the deceased, do not earn much.

Since i was already exploring our original civilizational framework of Continue reading

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Female Infanticide – Govt is the Culprit – NOT Society

It has been a fashionable for the many vested interests to paint the traditional indian society as a backward one with full of evils.  This article is one such recent example accusing indian society of perpetuating the evil of Female Infanticide.  They have mischievously and maliciously titled this article as “Female Holocaust”.  And they had used the usual tactics of  pitting society against women.

Its time that we have take on this false propoganda, and expose the hidden truths behind this.

Is traditional Bharathiya society, responsible for female infanticide?  Lets analyse

The traditional bharathiya society has the concept of Pancha Maha pathakas, where five cardinal sins doesnt have any Pariharam. These are:

  • Stree Hatya (Killing of women)
  • Go Hatya (Killing of Cow)
  • Bhruna Hatya (killing of fetus)
  • Brama Hatya (Killing of a Brahmin)
  • Shishu Hatya (Killing of a baby)

ref: http://www.eubios.info/india/BII8.HTM

So our society has considered, killing of Fetus, Infants and Women as unpardonable sins.  So the fundamental values system cannot Continue reading

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Inter-Caste Marriage Vs Inter-CLASS Marriage

For the past 100 years, the Anti-Caste brigade has been so far having a Monopoly in the intellectual dis-course, repeating the same propoganda and ensuring that there is no opposition.  But now, they are being effectively challenged, and clearly the anti-caste brigade has been facing the heat, unable to answer the key questions put forth.  The debates in  my previous articles are an example.

On these lines, i am going to put forth my next powerful argument, and let me see how the anti-caste proponents are answering this.

The main accusation against caste system is that it oppresses lower caste people,  discriminates them by birth, and hence in order to establish equality, we have to destroy caste system by promoting inter-caste marriages and urbanisation.

But they have not been able to answer the question, whether the equality they advocated exists in the urban centers.  The Obvious answer is NO.  While the urban society may NOT have castes, the inequality and discrimination is more acute in the form of CLASS system, where the entire society is divided in to Upper, Middle and Lower CLASS based on Money. Their Utopian notion of equality is nailed by this very segregation of people based on money.

The anti-caste brigade may claim that people are NOT discriminated by birth.  But they conveniently hide the truth that people are discriminated based on Money.  Most of the key resources in Urban Centers are reserved ONLY for those who have money, while the poor is languishing in the inhuman slums.  The Middle class is in a pathetic state, because they could not join either side.

And does equality exists within each of these class?  For eg, the Middle CLASS is again divided based on money, as LOWER Middle class and Upper Middle class.  So as upper and lower class also divided in to sub-divisions based on money.

This is more evil and discriminative than caste system.  Atleast in caste system, all people within the same caste are equal by birth which is very rational and positive aspect.  We can see this in the marriage.  The most wealthy people have to attend the most poor people within the same caste, on an equal basis.  Similarly, all people of the same caste have equal rights in their kula temple, irrespective of the financial status.

So equality actually exists within caste system, whereas there is no equality possible  in Urban Class system.  This is grave Social and Economic Injustice.

So using the same argument of anti-caste brigades, now let us call for establishing equality within the urban class system, before they can advocate it to caste system.   And as part of this, they should first enact a law that all upper CLASS people should compulsorily marry people of MIDDLE CLASS and all Middle CLASS people should compulsorily marry people of LOWER CLASS.   By this we can easily attain the utopian society based on equality.  Are these anti-caste people ready?

One of their argument is that a lower CLASS person can work hard, earn money and enter in to the MIDDLE class or UPPER Class.   My question is that suppose if a person from slum area, becomes rich, will a upper class person marry off their daughters to him.   If yes, then why wait for the lower class people to become upper class to marry their daughter?  If they marry their daughters to a poor guy, he will instantly become upper class by virtue of the marriage and the equality is attained.  Right?

The caste system is based on birth and rigid, and hence its understandable they cannot do inter-caste marriage.  But the urban CLASS system is highly fluid and dynamic, and what is going to prevent them from attaining equality, by Inter-CLASS marriage?

Will the anti-caste brigade, who forces inter-caste marriage, force an inter-CLASS marriage?

As a first step, we can ask all people belonging to Dravidar Kalagam and Communists to adopt this policy.  what say?



The Hindu Intellectuals and supporters of caste system should understand the fact that we should NOT set the same benchmark our enemies are setting against us.  If the anti-caste brigade makes allegations of discrimination based on birth, we should make our own benchmark of discrimination against them.

The Urban CLASS system is more oppressive and discriminative than our caste system, because the upper and  middle class is always exploiting the lower class people.


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How India destroyed Traditional Knowledge Systems

Another excellent article by Rajeev Malhotra.  All these Traditional Knowledge Systems (TKS) across our country is the result of the settled society of the 56 dhesams of our bharatha varsham. ( This point is missed by many hindu intellectuas who write about our culture and civilization.  If they could study these traditional dhesams and the native administrative systems, there could be more clarity in understanding our history)

The dhesams are formed based on the geographical nature of the region in which people choose to settle.  The traditional knowledge are nothing but the knowledge of how to sustainably live in these dhesams.   But the Urban Indians, who are uprooted from their traditional dhesams and resettled in Metros, treated these knowledge systems with utmost contempt (as backward & barbaric).

The academic institutions created in our country should have been designed to empower our local communities to document and improve their Traditional Knowledge.  But the urban indians of Metros who inherited the totalatarian power from britishers, did the opposite. They created educational institutions that serve the Colonial Economy in which they are part of.  In the name of Giving Education, an entire generation of people from all communities were made to study westernised education system and shun their traditional knowledge systems.

Even today, the so called Universities run by modern Hindu gurus like Amrita, Shastra, ramakrishna colleges etc are all serve the colonial global capitalistic economy.  Did any of these institutes ever helped any of our local communities?  Yet it is they who speak about nationalism, hinduism, development, culture, civilization etc..

Its time to review all those.  Particularly the urban indians should be made accountable for all the damages and atrocities they had unleashed on our traditional bharath.

Atleast now we need to recognise and empower our local communities.


It is now recognized that western criteria are not the sole benchmark by which other cultural knowledge should be evaluated. While the term ‘traditional’ sometimes carries the connotation of ‘pre-modern’ in the sense of ‘primitive’ or ‘outdated’, many of the traditional sciences and technologies were in fact quite advanced even by western standards as well as better adapted to unique local conditions and needs than their later ‘modern’ substitutes. In countries with ancient cultural traditions, the folk and elite science were taken as part of the same unified legacy, without any hegemonic categorizations. Continue reading

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