Update:
Eminent writer Mrs. Radha Rajan had written an article in vijaivaani.com regarding this USCIRF. The article can be accessed at the following URL.
http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=629
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It has been a fashionable statement to see reports in newspapers about interfaith dialogue. People, particularly Indian middle class, would think, that this is an attempt and opportunity for different religions, to come together and understand each other. Added to that, the parties who initiate this, would advertise this effort as an attempt to establish religious peace.
However, not all that glitters are gold. The interfaith dialogue is mostly initiated by christian missionaries, and recently by catholic pope. However, we have to note that point, that it is the christian missionaries who spread venom and hatred, under the guise of service to poor, that they often insult the other religions as pagans, false religion, false god, and particularly towards hinduism, they had been vehemant in calling hindu gods as satans, and those hindus who worship idols as prostitutes.
Where is the logic in such a body or institution, who doesnt respect other religions, and in whose holy book is stated that “Jesus is the only true god”, calling for an interfaith dialogue.
What actually are they going to discuss in that dialogue, when their very scripture is an extreme ideology, intolerant of other religions.
IF we consider a typical dialogue b/w a christian missionary and a hindu, the hindus will agree that Jesus is also a god to be reverred, while the church will say (either directly or indirectly), that jesus is the only true god (which by implicit means all other gods are false), and that man can get salvation only by worshipping jesus.
To a common sense, its not an interfaith dialogue.. Rather a bullshit.. an attempt to intimidate the other religious leaders, and through soft persuasion, to collapse the resistance of the other religious leaders in opposing conversion activity of the christian missionaries.
When a person really wants to understand others, there are lot of ways or sources to understand (in this internet age). Its very silly to say, that i will understand christianity only through a dialogue.
Please read the following press briefings by kanchi sankaracharyar, highlighting very important points.
Opposition by Kanchi Sankaracharya – a press briefing:
1. Exactly one month ago to the date, the Pope went to Jerusalem where Jesus was born, for a similar dialogue that the Vatican had undertaken with the Chief Rabbinate of Israel. At the end of that meeting when the Pope and Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzer jointly addressed the Press and Media, the Chief Rabbi thanked the Pope for assuring the Chief Rabbinate that the Catholic Church would desist and cease from all missionary and conversion activities among the Jews. This is construed as endorsed and agreed by the Pope since he was present in the press meet. We need a similar commitment from the Church for Hindus.
2. After such inter-faith meetings, the points agreed have to be faithfully abided. Otherwise there will be no point in holding such meetings. Unless the Church reassures Hindus that it will not conduct itself in a manner that wounds Hindu sensibilities and follows up on those assurances, such inter-faith meetings, no matter how frequently they are held will be futile and will not serve any meaningful cause.
3. In 1999, Pope John Paul II had stated that the mission of the Vatican was to plant the Cross in Asia in the third millennium to facilitate the Christianize of the world which alone would cause the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The Pope must tell us the rationale for the First Coming of Jesus Christ when there was no Christianity or the Church to undertake the mission to Christianize the world.
4. We see the USCIRF (US Commission on International Religious Freedom) as an intrusive mechanism of a foreign government to interfere in the internal affairs of this country. The USCIRF which has been permitted to visit this country to hold meetings with our people to ascertain religious freedom in our country must no longer be permitted to enter this country on this intrusive mission. We will not allow external interference into our internal affairs.
5. We know that very large amounts of money come into this country for Churches and Christian groups, ostensibly for charitable work. These funds should be used only for social causes like health, education etc and should not be used for religious conversion. During these dialogues, it should be agreed that the funds should be distributed to all Organizations who do charitable work irrespective of the organizations’ religious faith. A common pool should be created and a Committee formed to distribute and monitor the usage of these funds.
6. It has become easy for the Missionaries to convert Hindus. All Hindu Organizations and Associations should work together to educate Hindus and eradicate the conversion activity.
7. Hindu dharma is by nature diverse and so all different panths and sampradayas co-exist on this bhumi without seeking to destroy the others. Hindu dharma has nurtured and supported all faiths and religions because that is the way of dharma. We expect that religions which have come into this bhumi from other lands will respect this vital characteristic of Hindu dharma and not do anything to subvert or disturb the sense of nationhood of this country. Hindu dharma and the Hindu people welcome Christians and Muslims, Parsis and Jews to make this land their home. We expect from these religions that they will not seek to destroy our faith, our religion and wound our religious sensibilities. We encourage all religions to live with mutual respect and harmony in a shared sense of nationalism which should bind us all as one nation. Nationalism should come first.
8. We are aware of the preaching that they will cure diseases and ailments if the individual converts to their faith. This is illegal as per the DRUGS AND MAGIC REMEDIES ACT 1954.
9. Most of the countries in the world (USA, UK, Japan, Middle-east nations, Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc.), adopt national resolutions and statements of intent proclaimed by their governments and their tallest religious bodies affirming their determination to protect and defend the culture and the religion from which their cultures derive. In India alone we pass resolutions which officially and legally promote an irreligious and nonspiritual creed called secularism. Secularism is an administrative quality; it cannot be the soul of this nation. The soul of this nation is religious and spiritual. We call upon our government and other important religious bodies to recognize this truth and affirm their commitment to protect the soul of this nation.
10. The Buddhist Mahasangha and the Joint Committee of Buddhist Organizations have declared its intention to get the Sri Lankan government to pilot and pass a national anti-conversion Bill and make it law. We welcome this move and strongly endorse this measure.
11. The Church in India must stop forthwith the use of Hindu religious words, phrases and symbols like Veda, Agama, Rishi, Ashram, Om and other such in what is referred to as ‘inculturation’ tactics but which are only intended to deceive the vulnerable sections of our people who are the intended targets for religious conversion. This is also insulting to and wounding the religious sensitivities of Hindus. Similarly it has been brought to our notice that some churches are scripting a new Bible for the new converts by usurping sections of our sacred Vedas, Upanishads and Puranas and incorporating them into the Bible. This must stop immediately and all such Bibles must be withdrawn from circulation. We urge the Indian government to look into the issue and do the needful.
“the Chief Rabbi thanked the Pope for assuring the Chief Rabbinate that the Catholic Church would desist and cease from all missionary and conversion activities among the Jews. This is construed as endorsed and agreed by the Pope since he was present in the press meet. We need a similar commitment from the Church for Hindus.”
Senthil, do you think that Pontificus Maximus (Pope) means what he says ? He won’t even utter the word “Israel”, and refers to it as “Holy Land” instead (this means holy land of Catholics). The government of Israel has banned conversions, and if a Catholic preacher is found converting, he is beaten by a mob of orthodox Jews prior to being handed over to the authorities.
Vatican has already started a new order of Christianity called as Messianic Judaism, which is just another cult off the mother cult of Catholicism, and it is this cult that is threatening the Jews of Israel.
Indeed a very good question.. Please read how the inca empire was deceited by the spaniard catholics..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atahualpa
Everyone should expose these bloody missionaries who have spilled blood wherever they have ventured. Interfaith Dialogues are just a veneer covering the ‘poison that sapped fountain of Truth’ ( as conversions were described by Mahatma Gandhi ) It’s a mass distraction, one of the many techniques employed by Vatican since 2000 years. Every Hindu with dignity should read and realize the…TRICKS OF THE TRADE
http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=21&Itemid=54
From the above link…
Public Relations(PR) Campaigns ( 5 items )
If there is anybody in the world who mastered the art of Public Relations (PR), it is the Western Church. They remain unscathed irrespective of the magnitude of crimes and genocides they commit. Their public relations engine works throughout the day. Due to their PR campaigns many people develop a larger than life view of missionaries and fall prey to their nefarious activities
Read more @ http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=21&Itemid=54
The USA contributes USD 145 Billion every year to fund Christian Missionaries across the world. Churches across the world spend USD 1.1 Billion towards research aimed at achieving religious conversions. This is for propaganda material in 300 languages about 180 topics. Books and articles are printed in 500 languages. They total 175000. Every conversion costs USD 3300. It does not mean that this amount reaches the Convert. It is the expense incurred in activities related to administration, planning and implementation of the conversion programme. In 1500 A.D, there were 30 Lac active Christian Missionaries. Their number stands at 64.8 Crore today. 54% of these people are non-Whites. The strategy is to train non-Whites, provide them with funds and involve them in religious conversions. This is similar to the time when the British employed Indians as Soldiers to rule India!
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Conversion.htm
VoP June 17, 2009 at 8:42 am
The USA contributes USD 145 Billion every year to fund Christian Missionaries across the world.
I think that the statement above should read “The churches from USA” instead of just USA.
S, that depends, if anyone wants to get a detail oriented answer. When it was USA governed by Bush the statement is still correct. Otherwise it’s the churches, it’s the Christians who tithe and such. People who are in the know of things understand this subtlety but it’s not a stretch if I state that Christianisation of the world was a state policy of the US under Bush. The faith based policies that he supported are still active.
Bush’s Conversion Agenda for India:
Preparing for the harvest …
http://www.christianaggression.org/features_bush.php
http://compreligion.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/09/chritian-plan-to-convert-india-the-role-of-american.htm
CIA recruitment and the church – Central Intelligence Agency
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_n9_v113/ai_18118934/
US soldiers hunting people for Jesus
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/04/soldiers-in-afghanistan-g_n_195674.html
US Military is a tool of Christianity
http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret
http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?&id=content_9217
Here’s the link to the original blog of popular Kannada novelist from which I had extracted that paragraph.
http://medsyn.blogspot.com/2008/11/it-happens-only-in-india.html
“The Rise of Christian Fascism and Its Threat to American Democracy”
http://www.alternet.org/story/47679/
Please read this
Crime and cunningness of Catholic Church
http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=638
Senthil,
Again, not totally related, but somewhat related.
I recently came across this notion that Syrian Christians of today are actually Namboodhiri Brahmins converted at the beginning of this millennium. Obviously, I cannot prove or disprove the claim, but this article I read attempts to disprove the claim using the Aryan Invasion Theory as one of the theories.
http://winnowed.blogspot.com/2009/08/syrian-christians-brahmin-ancestors-and.html
I’d like to know if you have more info on this.
kaushik.. I dont have more info on this.. however, in my opinion, this namboodri root is NOT true, because of following reasons..
1. On those days, the namboodri castes are well off, and they dont have any reason to convert.
2. The syrian christians themselves were refugees and its unlikely they would have conversion as their agenda. They seems to have reached india, centuries before, the zeal for conversion started in europe.
3. The system of caste, doesnt allow one to easily convert, as any converts are outcasted instantly.
I think, the current namboodri history is an attempt to convert the namboodris today, by establishing a false link.. ie, a logic of “your forefathers itself have converted, so you can also convert..”