The intellectual scene in Post-independence India
A speech of S. Gurumurthy given to IIT Chennai
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… Defeat and anger go together. Abuse and defeat go together. So, it is in this norm and with this understanding of what an intellectual debate means, I would like to place before you some of my thoughts today. Some of may find it provocative. I am confident that the audience is competent enough to absorb this and think rather than get into the mood which all of us have got used to in the last 30-40 years abuse.
Background: India before Independence:
Let us see the pre-independence background, the intellectual content of India. See the kind of personalities who led the Indian mind Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo, Gandhiji, Tilak- giants in their own way. Most of them were involved in politics, active politics, day-to-day politics, handling men, walking on the road, addressing meetings, solving problems between their followers. And, meeting the challenges posed by the enemy, the conspiracies hatched against them. They were handling everything, yet, they were maintaining an intellectual supremacy, and an originality which history has recorded.
Let us look at the academic side. Whether it is a P.C. Ray who wrote on Indian Chemistry in 1905 or Sir C.V. Raman who wrote about mridangam, tabala, and violin, and saw the physics in it (this was in 1913); whether it was R.C. Majumdar or Radhakumud Mukherjee who saw greatness in the Indian civilization; trying to bring up points, instances, historical evidence to mirror the greatness of India to the defeated Indian race, they were all building the Indian mind brick by brick.
Sri Aurobindo spoke of Sanatana Dharma as the nationalism of India. He didn’t rank it as a philosophy. He brought it down to the level of emotional consciousness. Swami Vivekananda spoke of spiritual nationalism; it was the same Swami who spoke of Universal brotherhood. For them philosophy was not removed from the ground reality. The nation was at the core of their philosophy. Swami Vivekananda was called the “patriot monk”.
Mahatma Gandhi spoke of Rama Rajya. Bankim Chandra wrote Bande Maataram. The song, the slogans in it, the mantra in it made hundreds of people kiss the gallows smilingly and many others went to jail. It transformed the life of the people. This was the intellectual scene, this was the content. This is what powered the intellectual as well as the mass movement in India. This was the core of India, the soul of the Indian freedom movement.
The symptoms: India immediately after Independence
Imagine what happened in 1947 and after, India was able to intellectually lead not only Indians but also the whole world because of the intellectual assertion that the freedom movement brought about. Let us look at post Independence India. The persons who led post-Independence India were also trained in the same freedom movement. They went to jail, but they were not rooted in the intellectual content of the Freedom movement!
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The first Prime Minister of India Jawaharlal Nehru was in jail for 7 years. He was a great intellectual, purely in the sense of his capacity to reason, understand, read, and expound a thought. He told Galbrieth once, “I would be regarded as the last English Prime Minister of India.” See the intellectual capability of the man, the enormously competent mind.
But intellectualism doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It has to be rooted in something concrete. Swami Vivekananda’s universal brotherhood was rooted in India’s greatness as a civilization. The concept of “Vasudaiva Kutumbakam” cannot exist without a living form, a population which believes in it and believes in itself. You need to have a society which believes in it.
That is why India could invite the Jews who were butchered, raped, all over the world. In 107 out of 108 countries, this race was butchered. At least they had the courtesy and the gratitude to publish a book. The Israeli government published a book that out of 108 countries that we sought refuge, the only civilization, the only country, the only people, the only ideology that gave us refuge was the Indian civilization. They published a book, which most Indians are unaware of.
And we invited the Muslims. The refugee Muslims first landed in Kutch. And they are called the Kutchy Memons even today but not the Memons who bomb Mumbai. But the Memons who lived with us.
In the year 1917, many of you might be aware, a case went to the Prey Council, equivalent to the Supreme Court now. The Kutchy Memons went and told the Prey Council that we are Muslims for namesake, but we follow only the Hindu law. Please don’t impose the Shariat on us. The Prey Council ruled that they are Muslims but the only sacred book they have is called “Dasaavathaara”, it is not Koran. In fact they knew no language other than the Kutchy language.
And in the “Dasaavathaara”, nine avatharas were common between Hindus and Kutchy Memons. We call the tenth avathaara “Kalki” and they call him “Ali”. The Prey Council ruled that the Shariyat law is not applicable to them. The All India Muslim League took up the case, went to the British and told them that this finding is dangerous to Islam and requested them to pass a law which will overrule this judgment. The British government passed a law in 1923 which was called the “The Kutchy Memons Act” declaring, “If a Kutchy Memon wants to follow the Shariat, allow him to do so”.
It doesn’t mean a Muslim must follow the Shariat. Between 1923-1937, before the All India Shariat Act was passed not a single Kutchy Memon filed an affidavit with the plea that he wants to follow the Shariaat. That was the integration prevalent in India. In 1937, when the All India Shariat Act was passed, the preamble to the act mentioned that this was being passed by a demand made by the AIML leader Mohammed Ali Jinnah. Today, the Shariat has become a part of Muslim consciousness.
The purpose behind making you aware of this background is that 99% of the people who speak about the constitutional rights of the minorities or the distinctiveness of Muslim life are unaware of the facts. Till the year 1980, in Cooch Behar district, the Shariat law was not applicable. In 32 instances between 1923 and 1947 by legislation, the Shariyat law was not applicable to the Muslims. This is the extent of the intellectual gap in India.
Secularism: A Reversal and perversion of the Indian mind.
And now, coming to what is the position today. Everything that drove the freedom movement – everything that constituted the soul of the freedom movement, whether it is the Ram rajya of Gandhiji or Sanaatana Dharma of Sri Aurobindo or the spiritual patriotism of Vivekananda or the soul stirring Vande Maataram song, came to be regarded not only as unsecular but as sectarian, communal and even as something harmful to the country.
Thus, there was a reversal, a perversion of the Indian mind. How did it occur? Today, the intellectualism of India means to denigrate India. There are mobile citizens and there are non- citizens deriding India. Go to the Indian Airlines counter you will find people deriding India. Go to a post office they will deride India. Go to a railway station, they will deride India. It is the English educated Indian’s privilege to deride India.
When I was talking to postal employees in the GPO, Chennai (a majority of them were women). I told them the basic facts about the post office. I said it is one of the most efficient postal systems in the world, one of the cheapest in the world, one of the most delivery perfect postal systems in the world. For one rupee, you are able to transport information from one end of the country to the other.
And you have a postman, no where in the world this happens the postman goes to the illiterate mother and reads out the letter, he is asked to sit there and shares a cup of coffee and comes away. Money orders are delivered to the last rupee. It is an amazing system, one of the largest postal systems linking one of the most populous nations, one of the most complicated nations with so many languages.
Somebody writes the address in Tamil and it gets delivered in Patna! It gets delivered to Jawaan at warfront! When I completed my speech many of the women were wiping their tears. I asked why are you crying I have only praised you. They said, “Sir, this is the first time we’ve been praised, otherwise we’ve only been abused!”
You know how many people use the railways in India? A million people and that is equivalent to the population of Australia! And we have only abuses for them! Have we any idea of what this country is? India has been compared with Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea, Japan and Taiwan. You can walk across many of these countries in one night (laughs)! The best politicians, intellectuals, sociologists in India have compared us with them because, we have never understood what we are and unless you do that, you can never relate us with others.
Demonising India: Projecting a negative image.
This enormous intellectual failure, to the extent of being intellectually bankrupt, did not occur overnight, it was no accident. There is a history behind this enormous erosion. And I told you about these mobile citizens, what they have done to us. Every country has problems. There is no country without any problem. Are you aware of what is one of the most pressing problems in America today? It is incurable according to the American sociologists; even American economists have begun to agree with them. American politicians are shaken, one third of the pregnant women are school going children. And mothers mix the anti-pregnancy pill in the food without daughter’s knowledge everyday.
But this is not the image of America. The image of America is a technologically advanced country etc. etc. Ours is the only country where the mobile citizens of India have transformed the problems of India into the image of India -its identity is inherently related with its problems.
Go to any country and the same negative stereotype is echoed that India is suffering from poverty and malnutrition. India has no drinking water. Indian women are burnt. If they are married, they are burnt, if they are widows, they are burnt. See the image that has been built about this country. Who did this? The English educated Indian.
And one Kaluraam Meena (have you ever heard of him? Asks the audience to raise their hands if they have), only a small fraction of this large audience has heard of him. When Clinton came to India, he went to a village called Nayla where the villagers interacted with him. And one of the panchayat board members asked him, “Sir, I am told that in the West, all of you believe that this country is a rotten country, a backward country, a poor, hungry country. Do you also think like that?”
Clinton was shaken, because he might have thought that this person might be approaching him for some favour. I will relate my experience when I went to the Carter Centre in 1993. They were talking about dispute resolution and all that. I went there to meet somebody, if not Carter, somebody else at least. His Deputy, a lady, was very hesitant to receive me. “Mr. Gurumurthy”, she said, “Mr. Carter is not around, anyway, I can spare seven-eight minutes for you.” I said three or four minutes of your time would do. Even before I could start, she said, “Mr.Gurumurthy, we don’t have funds, we will not be able to help” (laughter from the audience). I replied, “Let us assume you have a hundred billion dollars, how much will you give me? One billion? One million?”
She kept quiet, I said: “I don’t need your money. I came here to discuss whether community living is an answer to disputes. I have come to discuss this because you have suggested electoral means to resolve problems in communities which have no damn idea of what an election is; whether community living is an answer because you don’t what that means. She sat and discussed this with me for two hours. This is the image we have projected that anybody, who comes from India, comes to beg. Ordinary Indians did not create this impression; educated Indians created it. This is the work of civil servants, NGOs. Christian missionaries during the freedom movement created this. Indians are filthy, rotten, dirty and unhealthy, advertising abroad these are the people who need to be saved. We have to Christianise them, enlighten them, and give us money. I can understand that because it is their business. But what did we do after 1947?
We repeated the same mistakes. We projected India as a country of unending problems. As I said, every country has problems. Only in India, problems become identities. How many dowry deaths take place in India in a year? Yet, India is projected as a country burning its own daughter-in-laws. And we also talk about it. Every damn newspaper will be writing about it. We believe in self-deprecation. And this goes on in the guise of intellectualism in India. And one woman, she attempted to take a film of the widows. I wrote an article, asking her to go to Lijjat Paapad. A widow brought me up. Millions of widows have worked to bring up their children. It is a nation, which believes in Tapasya. You may not believe in it but you are an exception.
Compare Deepa Mehta”s attitude with Sarada Maa’s who was the wife, who became a widow after Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa’s passing away. She went to the very same place where Deepa Mehta went and saw the widows. Sarada Maa said, “These widows are so pure, they are an illustration and an example to me.” Deepa Mehta saw them as prostitutes. The widows have already been hurt once. Why are you sprinkling salt on their wounds?
I am very sorry to speak about this, but I have to, this audience is enlightened enough to understand me. Indian women are sexually unsatisfied and so they are becoming lesbians? This is one bloody story against us, about us. This is the image of Indian men and women, and this film is in English. Catherine Mayo wrote a book and Mahatma Gandhi said about it, “I have no time to read this filth. But I am under a compulsion, under pressure because this has been published abroad. The image of India has been rubbished and I have to counter it.” With this introduction, he wrote about the book and said that this woman is a gutter inspector (laughs).
The intellectualism in India is gutter inspection- people are of this kind etc. Understand the level of erosion.
Indian Politics: Weaknesses and Pitfalls
Let us look at the post independence scenario from the macro level. We installed a system of governance and it postulated all the important goals for the Indian society and polity, which was gulped by the Indian academia, by the Indian intellectuals. We will have a classless society through socialism. We will have a casteless society through equality. We will have a faithless society through secularism. We will have a modern society devoid of tradition.
Instead of politics restructuring caste, caste has restructured politics today. Political parties are talking only in terms of castes. Has any Indian intellectual come to terms with caste? You must understand caste if you want to handle the Indian society. You cannot say that I want to have a very different kind of society. You have to handle the Indian sentiment, the Indian tradition and Indian beliefs. You can’t clone a society of your choice in India. Social engineering has failed everywhere; the masters of social engineering have given up the Communists – whether it is sociologists or economists you have to accept a society as it is. You can only increase the momentum of evolution in the society; you can’t forcibly bring about a revolution today. But, Indian leaders and intellectuals, till today, keep abusing caste. They don’t know how to handle the caste.
Let me narrate to you how a community in Karaikudi handled this issue. The Chettiyar community assembled top businessmen, professionals from all over the world for 3 days to discuss their culinary act, how to construct houses, what languages they use, what old adages and stories their grand parents used to tell, what clothes they used to wear; not one word of politics, mind you. This was not even published in the newspapers. Intellectuals were not even aware of it. So, caste is a very important instrument in India, you may not like it. Unfortunately, every intellectual leads a caste life inside, but outside he is casteless! He is cloning an approach outside. There is no intellectual honesty at all.
And what happened in the case of secularism? In India, any one who is not a Hindu is per se secular. In the year 1947, just 10 years had passed after the Muslim League demanded and got the country partitioned, the leader who voted for the resolution for the partition of India was Quazi Millath Ismail, (who was leading the same Muslim League on the Indian side), the Congress certified that the Muslim League in Kerala is secular and hence it can associate with them. The Muslim League outside Kerala is communal with the same president! Three hundred and fifty crores are spent today for the Haj pilgrims out of the funds of secular India every year. No one can raise an objection. At least I can understand why politicians don’t want to do that because they want the Muslim votes. But what about the intelligentsia. What about newspaper editors and journalists? And academicians? None of them speak out. The reason is that we have produced a state dependent intellectualism in India. We don’t produce Nakkeerans anymore, our intellectualism is a derivative of the State and the State is a derivative of the polity. And in turn the polity is a derivative of the mind of Macaulay and Marx.
The Indian education system: A Legacy of Macaulay.
This Macaulayian system of education is a poison injected into our system. At least I had the opportunity of schooling in Tamil and hence could withstand the corruption that this English education brings with it. This corruption begins the moment the child steps out of the house. He is told to converse in English at home. This did not happen even in pre-Independence India, even when Macaulay wrote that notorious note sitting in Ooty. How many of you know Macaulay’s formulation? Just those two or three sentences at least which form the crux – “We require an education system in India which will produce a class of interpreters, who will be Indian in colour and Englishmen in taste, opinions and morals.”
This is the education system, which we have been continuing with, which was earlier conceived to produce clerks for the British Empire. If you have to differ from an English educated person you have to differ only through the English language. If you have to abuse somebody, even that has to be done in English! If you abuse the Anglicised Indian, he will not find fault with the blame but with the grammar in your language! This is the extent to which a foreign language has possessed us. But, we must master English, that is needed, but why do we have to become slaves of the English language? We must use that language as a tool, but why do we consider it as a status symbol? This is the influence of Macaulay.
If you want to understand the Macaulay/Marxist mix in India, you have to go a little back to see how Marxism grew out of the Christian civilisation. I recommend that you read the Nov 27, 1999 edition of the Newsweek, which describes how the Christian idea of the end of time called the “apocalypse”, influenced the entire history, art, music, prognosis, sociology, economics, and the entire attitude of the Christian civilisation towards the non-Christian civilisations.
A Christian scholar who describes how Communism grew out of Christianity has written it. In 1624, Anna Baptists, a group of Christians who believed in the basic tenets of Christianity seized power in a particular place, banned private property and use of any book other than the Bible. When Marxism came up later through the exposition of Das Capital, the Marxists began expounding their doctrine as an extension of Christianity.
The thesis, antithesis and synthesis of making Christianity acceptable to the age of enlightenment was the Hegelian way demanded rationalisation of Christianity in the days of the Protestant movement. Hegel began with a disagreement, then started interacting with Christianity and ultimately ended up accepting Christianity. You can see the same phenomenon with Marxist postulates- “capitalism is my enemy, we have to deal with capitalism” and finally “we have to find a synthesis with capitalism”.
Marx on India
In fact in the year 1857, Marx wrote about India, ” India was a prosperous civilisation. It had a very high standard of living. Their productivity was higher. India was an economic giant.” It was so. If you look at the statistics in 1820, India’s share of world production was 19%, and England’s share was 9%, please note that Britain was deep into the industrial revolution at that time. 18% of the world trade was in Indian hands at that time whereas 8% was the figure for Britain and 1% for US. When 80% of the American population was engaged in agriculture, India had 60% of the population engaged in non-agricultural occupations. This is supposed to be an index of development. All these statistics can be found in Paul S. Kennedy’s “Rise and Fall of Great Powers”.
So, Marx says, “This was a great civilisation which had produced prosperous communities.” A prosperity which went deep into the villages. In the early stages, when the East India Company came to Murshidabad, an unknown name in Bengal today the Britishers were awe struck with its prosperity and wrote that it was more prosperous than London. This is no more disputed anyway, even by Indian intellectuals. Marx acknowledges the fact that this was a prosperous country and also had equality but unfortunately, he says for 2000 years the society did not change nor did it allow any revolutionary forces to enter! In his worldview human beings cannot progress without a revolution!
In the two articles on British rule in India and the East India Company- history and results written by Marx, quoted in the New York daily “Karl Marx does grant though somewhat in a grudging manner that “materially, India was fairly industrious and prosperous even before the onset of the British rule. He said that India was an exporting country till 1830 and started importing because it had opened its trade to the British.” Many of you may not be aware that the kings in India had no right to over the lands, which came under the jurisdiction of panchayats. Whether it was Emperor Ashoka or Bhagavan Sri Ramachandra, the rule was the same. It was changed only during the British rule under the Ryotwari system. Even the Mughals could not change it. It was also found that family communities were based on domestic industry, with the peculiar combination of hand-spinning, hand- weaving, agriculture etc. which gave them a supporting power.
The misery inflicted by the British on Hindusthan is of an entirely different kind and infinitely more intense than what it had to suffer before civil wars, invasions, revolutions, conquests, famines all these did not go deeper than the surface. But, England broke the entire framework of Hindusthan, the symptoms of reconstitution are yet to emerge clearly. This loss of the Old World without the emergence of a new order imparts a particular melancholy to the present misery of Hindus and Hindusthan. Marx goes on to say that the British interference destroyed the union between agriculture and the manufacturing industry. Suddenly he remarks that the English interference dissolved this semi barbarian, semi-civilised community.
He concedes that they were prosperous, that they organised their affairs well, they have a measure of independence, they have a democracy at the lowest level, all this has been conceded. Then, how does he classify us as “semi-barbarian and semi-civilised communities”? He notes that India’s social condition remained unaltered since remote antiquity. This is important, for him revolution is the core, the soul and centre of the society. This society never had a revolution; hence it cannot be modern! There is an underlying assumption, which considers revolution as a pre- requisite for being modern.
Hence, he feels that the destruction wrought by the British is the inevitable revolution needed for the development of the Indian society. England had vested interests, violent interests in bringing about this “revolution”. But, the question in focus is whether mankind can fulfill its destiny without a fundamental revolution in the social state? Whatever might have been the crimes of England, she was the unconscious tool of history in bringing about a revolution, whatever bitterness the spectacle of crumbling of an ancient world may evoke, from the point of history, we have to exclaim – should this torture torment us?
Since it brings us great pleasure, were not the rule of Taimur, souls delivered without measure? It is a creative destruction in the cause of revolution according to him. If you see Indian Communism which was expounded by a man called Rajane Palme Dutt. Has anyone heard of his name? (Two persons from the audience raised their hands). Two. He was born of a white woman and an Indian father in England. He was in charge of Indian Communism for 25 years. He never came to India though. In his book, “India Today”, he laid down the framework, the policy for Indian Communists, what must be done, what is the kind of revolution needed in India, the development model etc.
In those days, even good photographs of India were not available, yet this man spoke about India sitting in London. He came to India for the first time in 1946, ten years after he wrote this book and realised that he had to revise it. He stayed for 30 days! A visitor to India was the father of Indian Communism! And from that day till date, the Indian Communist has never been with India. Not only that, they took over the Indian mind in the post- independence period. It is these Marxist/Macaulayist intellectuals who will certify whether somebody is modern or traditional, backward or secular or communal, progressive or regressive. They were running an Open Air University issuingcertificates every day through the press. They have branded me as a communal man.
Labels: Tools for stultifying important debates
Labels substituted debate in India. Simply a label – communal, that is enough. Four or five editorials will appear preaching that Gurumurthy is communal and the matter must end there. No one would even discuss what communalism is! Religious fundamentalism, RSS/Bajrang Dal fundamentalism! Anyone, who exposes the Hindu cause in India is a fundamentalist! We have seen this term being used so casually and superfluously and incessantly by politicians and newspapers. Has anyone bothered to understand the meaning of religious fundamentalism going beyond these slogans?
Secularism is an intra-Christian phenomenon. It has no application outside Christianity at all. Secularism resolved the fight between two powerful persons, the King and the Archbishop who were loyal to the same faith, to the same prophet, to the same book and to the same Church. It is not a multi-religious virtue.
A multi-religious idea, a multi-religious living, a multi-religious culture, a multi-religious fabric or a multi-religious structure was unknown outside India. There was usually only one faith and no place for any other, not even for a variation of the same faith. Fifty six thousand Bahais were butchered in one hour in Tehran! They believed in the same Koran, in the same Muhammad, the only difference was that they said that Muhammad might come in another form again. That was their only fault and they were all butchered.
But we have no such problem. We can play with God, we can abuse God, and we can beat God!
If I say that monotheistic religions have had a violent history, and the reply will be “you are communal.” But this is exactly the same conclusion that a study in Chicago revealed, probably, the only study on fundamentalism conducted by anybody so far. This fundamentalism project brought out five volumes each volume about eight hundred to nine hundred pages. The conclusion they have reached is that, “Fundamentalism is a virtue of Abrahamic religions. It is not applicable to eastern faiths at all.
What about the Indian intellectuals? Day in and day out, they keep abusing us as fundamentalists, communalists, that we are anti-secular and it is being gulped down by everyone including those from the IITs and IIMs, lawyers and police officials, journalists and politicians. Look at this intellectual bankruptcy.
An inner revolution: The much needed change
We need a mental revolution, an inner revolution; we need to get rooted in our own soul. There is a missing element in India today and it is this. That element has to be restored otherwise Indian intellectualism will only be a carbon copy of Western intellectualism. We are borrowing not only their language and idiom but also we trying to copy the very soul of the West.
So, all that we need to do is (it is impossible to share the entire depth of the subject in one evening’s lecture programme. I have only tried out point out in an incoherent way, how a completely fresh mindset has to be evolved. And unless it evolves, the Indian mind, which leads India, will be in a perpetual state of confusion ordinary people are perfectly all right.
Consider for example how thirty years before there was a question whether Tamil Nadu will be a part of India or not. The Dravidian parties have taken over the mind of Tamil Nadu. It had virtually ceased to be a part of India. And their attack was aimed at Hinduism. The moment you attack Hinduism you attack India. This is a fact. Neither politicians nor intellectuals nor academicians realised this. But, the ordinary people did.
Just three religious movements- the Ayyappa movement, the Kavadi movement and the Melmaruvatthur Adi Para Sakti movement- have finished the Dravidian ideology to a very great extent. It is only the outer shell of Dravidianism that remains today. Tamil Nadu has been brought back successfully by Ayyappa, Muruga and Para Sakti, not by the Congress or the BJP or any other political party.
How many people have intellectually assessed the depth and the reach, the deep influence of religion over the people? A paradigm shift in a study of India would be an intellectual approach to this subject. Or consider for example its influence on economics. Many of you by now would have studied economics in some detail. Take a look at the society in India and compare the figures for public expenditure for private purposes, which is called the social security system in the West. 30% of the GDP in America is spent for social security, 48% in England, 49% in France, 56% in Germany and 67% in Sweden. This private expenditure is nothing but what you and I do by taking care of parents, our wives and children, brothers and sisters and grandparents, widowed sisters and distant relatives. This expenditure is met by the society in India.
And there is no law in India that people should do this. We consider it as our dharma. A person went to a court and demanded a divorce from his father and mother. The American court granted it saying that the only relationship that exists between two persons of America is their citizenship. The law in America recognises no other relationship …
In the year 1978, an interesting incident occurred in Manhattan. There was a power failure for six hours. Manhattan is in the heart of New York where you find the UN building, the World Trade Centre and the head quarters of many multinational companies. One third of the world’s health is concentrated in Manhattan. Within six hours, hundreds of people were killed, robbed and assaulted. We don’t need electricity to behave in a civilised manner. How many intellectuals in India have ever articulated from such a sympathetic approach? We have only tarnished the image of this country. We must be ashamed of this.
Conclusion
I shall conclude my speech with this example. When Sri Aurobindo came to Pondicherry in search of a new light. He used to get five rupees from a friend and four persons used to live on this. A cup of tea was one of the luxuries they used to have everyday in the morning, on the Pondicherry beach.
Sri Aurobindo used to always look at a mystic called Kullachamy (Subramanya Bharati has written a poem about him). He used to behave like a madman, wandering here and there, throwing stones … One, day he came near Sri Aurobindo, lifted his cup of tea and emptied it in front of him. Then he showed the empty cup to him, placed it on the table and went away. Sri Aurobindo’s friends were angry and wanted to chase him. Sri Aurobindo stopped them and said, “This is the kind of instruction I had been expecting from him. He wants me to empty my mind and start thinking afresh.”
That is my appeal to you.
Excellent.
Kindly keep upyour good work.
Dr S Kumar
Dear Sir
All right.
ok with all you say.
only ONE correction: 30% of truth will never become 100% TRUTH.
Some Indians may tarnish our country’s image in foreign countries
Not all English-medium educated Indians do that.
I am living since 1981 in France.
I can say that this image is not tarnished by us but by those French people have this image from their media projections.
Thus, the foreign media is biased and try to make sensational and dramatic documentary films on India so that they may sell them to TV channels easily and with huge profit.
IT IS ALL A QUESTION OF MONEY!
No hasty dramatic accusations please, my dear fellow Tamil.(apart from this remark, you are excellecnt and your analysis demands respect)
Ganesh
Dear Sir!
I always admire your courageous speeches and work. I would like to add here from my aborad experience for 13 years, that every migrant Indian first generation lived there as a true Indian till the end. I argued with others to showcause our positive. Most cases because they can’t bring the second or third generation like them there in an alien land, some could lose that interest in the end. But here, I have returned and trying to settle here without any greed for money alone throughout my life, I find now the young Indians call themselves as second and third generations wanting to lose our values and ethos. I don’t see the same respect and regard I had for my parents, relatives even to-day. This makes me still angry than what you are pointing out. Most NRI’s are proud of our roots and connected in all possible way in the daily lives. The various temples and Thygaraja festivals or concerts etc for the last 40 years happening there is a testimony to that. Unfortunately Intellectualism/Hinduism can’t be promoted into others. We can only keep and survive to ourselves. Honesty is the hallmark of Dharma through which Indian educated expora to-day are getting less than their worth there than here. They accept it as it is their personal family decisions.
The current inflation and real-estate hijacking has no relevance to outsiders or other faiths and we have eroded our culture internally. Pride should be there outside which I think 90% of NRI’s have carried out that as they spent their initial lives here. Local pride without eradicating corruption and demanding performance could work to our own collapse which is what I think as an intellectual happening now. Before I left India, the same kind of arguments reg. the Post office etc., I used to do as a Public servant and the kind of integrity and fight with even foreign suppliers, I don’t see anyone of my age following here now to my surprise. I follow the Karma, Dharma theory of Hinduism with atmost humility, but I am angered by the present state of attitudes in young India than there. I don’t question the history of Indians and what you say till 2000.
Dear ganesh,
You may be right.. but its not just foreign media.. its english elite media also.. one reason why indian elites get ashamed of india is because they were completely swallowed by these english indian medias.
any how.. we need a realisation of our country and culture.. if it happens, then its better for tomorrows india.
Thanks Mr.Senthilraja for your effort!
We need more people like Mr.Gurumurthy. He wrote with in depth analysis on stock market, sub-prime crisis & a series of thought provoking articles in Thuglak long back. The present mindset of us that anything Indian is inferior should change and hopefully is changing slowly.
May God give him all the support and strength required.
BY THINKING ONLY ABOUT YOUR LANGUAGE ..BY THINKIN ONLY ABOUT YOUR CULTURE BY THINKING ONLY ABOUT YOUR STATE You are not creating ANY HARM …BUT THE TROUBLE STARTS from the MOMENT YOU START DENOUNCING …OTHERS ARE NOT RIGHT ..OTHERS SHOULD NOT LIVE WITH US.. I Am not doing GOOD WHY SOME ELSE SHOULD BE GOOD?????
FOLLOW GANDHI GIRI HERE ….IF CHRISTIAN NGO is Doing More Good … let BAJARANG DAL go and MUCH better help than any NGOs …
If you do that you dont need to go and give ..speaches …and conferences..People will come to You and You will be leader in no time..
Instead of this if you burn churches ..rape nuns and talk all nonsense about other religion what good things are you teaching?
KINDNESS WILL NEVER ..I mean NEVER go UN-NOTICED….
TRUTH wILL Prevail …
NATURE EXPOSES the FACT whether it is RIGHT OR WRONG…GOOD or BAD ?..
Leaders Quoted in this article attracted Masss in very short period of time becuase their actions spoke MUCH better than their WORDS ..
Their life itself was an example for the follower ..
Today history remembers them and i am writing about them with a pride becuase they served for the cause greater than themselves..
THrow me a NAME of BAJARAG DAL activist(s) or Living VHP Activis(s) ..that you know whose service trascends across the states cultures and casts???
when that day comes where Hindu respect other indian …Conversion will erode by itself and People with Conversion Mind leave country by themselves..
as People dont find any reason to follow someone else when there is truth …Kindness..compassioness existing in our own religion..
INDIAN is NOT JUST about kannadiga or telugite or MARATHI OR BIHARI we are all INDIANS ..STOP CHASING OTHER PEOPLE saying they are BAD for our COUNTRY…STOP deviding people by caste ..by religion ..
THIS IS THE KIND OF MENTALITY THAT ENABLED ENGLISH TO RULE US OVER 100 YEARS and NOw THESE HINDU GROUPS like bajarang dal ARE trying devide india by same thing???????
Here are interesting this the article uses it but denounces other religions in INDIA …
Swami Vivekananda’s universal brotherhood was rooted in India’s greatness as a civilization.
What it means to YOU when it says …..universal brotherhood ????
LOOK at this fact it Quoted …
India could invite the Jews who were butchered, raped, all over the world. In 107 out of 108 countries, this race was butchered. At least they had the courtesy and the gratitude to publish a book. The Israeli government published a book that out of 108 countries that we sought refuge, the only civilization, the only country, the only people, the only ideology that gave us refuge was the Indian civilization. They published a book, which most Indians are
unaware of.
After using such greatest FACTS WHY SHOULDN’t we SAY RSS/Bajrang Dal fundamentalism!
The Israeli government published a book becuase of the fact that we SHOWED to the entire world that we are HUMANS first…
What Message these RSS/Bajrang Dal fundamentalists are spreading…?????????????
HERE IS ONE MORE SECTION :
> A multi-religious idea, a multi-religious living, a
> multi-religious culture, a multi-religious fabric or a
> multi-religious structure was unknown outside India. There
> was usually only one faith and no place for any other, not
> even for a variation of the same faith. Fifty six thousand
> Bahais were butchered in one hour in Tehran! They believed
> in the same Koran, in the same Muhammad, the only difference
> was that they said that Muhammad might come in another form
> again. That was their only fault and they were all
> butchered.
>
> But we have no such problem. We can play with God, we can
> abuse God, and we can beat God!
WHAT YOU MEAN BY abOVE sENTENCE ..ARE U ASKING HINDUS to BUTCHER EVERY ONE ….?????????
IF Hindu groups can be given rights to BUTCHER..WHY DO WE NEED TO HAVE CIVILISED ..SYSTEM OF COURT ..and INVESTIGATION?????
HOW THE EDUCATED INDIAN COMMUNITY ARE DENIGRATING INDIA { particularly English Speaking Community !!! }
Well This is the TOPIC we always actively participate by choice or By ignorance….
well We INDIANS particularly those living abroad de-grade Indian Administration not Indians ??
WHY we De-grade or talk cheap about our administration ???
here are the Facts …
We Lived in INDIA and we Noticed what Kind of services that we get There as tax paying CITIZENS…
We came abroad and observed What better servces we are getting as a same TAX paying CITIZEN..
what extra thing i am DOING in getting this BETTER SERVICE ?..
NOTHING..I JUST …GO TO WORK …DO MY JOB whether 100% or 50% ..take my salary.. Pay my TAXES and LIVE WITH MY FAMILY..
IF I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING EXTRA OVER HERE AND IF I STILL COULD GET A BETTER SERVICE SHOULD I APPRECIATE THE BETTER SERVICE OR JUST FOR THE SAKE OF PRAISING SHOULD I PRAISE THE INFERIOR SERVICE?..
WHAT IS wrong in BLAMING INDian Postal OR ANY OTHER INDIAN ADMINISTRATION for that matter …if they are providing inferior Services ??
WHY cant we ASK for better services in our own country? in our land and FROM our own PEOPLE????
Lets take the same example of POSTAL SERVICE here..
If i go to any post office over abroad…I will get Stamps ..postal Boxes..Postal covers … Self servicing machines …and 3 or 4 people standing in their counters
asking us How can we HELP YOU SIR ….serving deligently one person at a time
even if it is very first day in the country ..i can go up to the counter ask how to get my work done..PAY what i suppose to pay and walk out ..
what happens If i go to same postal service there…Forget about all the LUXURY Facilities ..is there person who will pay attention…and ask how he may assist us…forget about it sometimes i was even told ..”HEY wAIT ..DONT U C i AM DOING SOME THING …..GO COME LATER I AM BUSY..” This is the Kind of service i experienced from Our people…
WE BLAME INDIAN SERVICE NOT BECAUSE HOW LESS we are paying For the SERVICE ….WE BLAME BECUASE WE are NOT TREATED AS CUSTOMERS …RATHER as some piece of JUNK … who has no choice but to acept them whether we like them OR NOT
IF I AM NOT TREATED LIKE A CUSTOMER EVEN AFTER PAYING FOr the Inferior service i GET ….WHY SHOULDn’T WE BLAME INDIANS??????
DO i nEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT THE SERVICE IS
IN RTO OFFICES
IN GOVT HOSPITALS
IN POLICE STATIONS
IN BANKS TO get LOANS ?.
IN TREASURY OFFICES TO RELEASE OUR PARENTS PENSIONS..
IN SUB-REGISTRAR OFFICE
NAME ONE GOVT SERVICE WHICH WE CAN PROUDLY SAY we are getting DESERVED SERVICE …
WHEN ALL THIS HAPPENING AROUND US … this article EXPECTS US JUST TO BE PROUD OF HOW Great we were 100 years AGO and TODAY we INDIANS DENIGRATING INDIA WHEREVER WE GO???
i HAVEN’T READ ONE ARTICLE WHICH PRAISES HOW GREAT WE ARE nOW AND HOW GREAT WE CAN BE IN FUTURE BECUASE WE ARE DOING RIGHT THINGS NOW AND PASSING RIGHT THINGS TO OUT NEXT GENERATION…..!!!!
are WE PSYCHOPATHS to EXPERIENCE THE IMMENSE PLEASURE in BLAMING INDIA ANd PRAISING AMERICA or any Foreign CULTURE????
WE are common PEOPLE we speak what is Happening around us whether its good or BAD We speak good services here as much as we speak BAD services in INDIA
We speak SOME BAD CULTURES about Western world such as GUNS ..SCHOOL SHOOTING ..DRUGS ..ROBBERY etc as MUCH as we speak about GOOD Great Cultures about our society..our old indian schools.. our family …our parent’s parenting …their dedication to family ..ETC
we are proud of our parents and our people becuase No matter how little we have we will FIND OUR way UP to Grow financially and to become better families…
At the same time we WILL NOT FAIL TO NOTICE ..BAD BRIBERY.. BAD LEADERS ..BAD ANTI-SOCIAL ELEMENTS ..or anything that fail to influence us in honest way…
IF WE CRITICIZE BAD THINGS AS BAD WHATZ WRONG WITH THAT CONCEPT????
What are we deni-grating about INDIA???
How CHristianity Can Be a PLAGUE to our people and/or How derogatory the MUSLIMs are in Our country… ???
In My opinion These religious Differences should be handled By the LAW of the LAND not by the STREET THUGS WHO proclaims themselves as GURUS..or HINDU aCTIVITISTS..IF they are truely doing the right thing all OF US Follow them..RELIGIOUSLY WITHOUT ARGUMENTS
well here are the God quotes from SARVAGNA [ Person who Truely understands everything ]… about true Beliefs of GOD and sanctity of DHARMA ….
Stanza 14: By wearing a mark of ash (Note: orthodox Hindus wear such marks on their forehead and other parts of the body during religious rituals.) one were to reach heaven, a donkey (that rolls in ash) should reach there surely.
Stanza 15: By dipping in the river everyday ( Note: baths in holy rivers are parts of Hindu rituals.) a Brahmin were to jump to heaven, the frog which is born and lives in water should surely go to heaven.
Stanza 16: By dabbing sandalwood paste on the forehead one were to reach heaven, the stone used to grind the paste should be first to go there.
Hindutva is not about OPPOSING coneverSION..Hindutva is not about learning some ritual things ..Hinduatva is about the right principles..
AFTER ALL THOSE QUOTES WHAT RELIGION MEANS to You ???
HOW DO U CHERISH THE CONCEPT OF GOD and SANCTITY OF DHARMA…
IS TRUE RELIGION ABOUT DESTROYING SOMEONE ELSE’S BELIEF and PROTECTING YOUR OWN?
Here is one more Quote from Sarvagna
tanza 9:Learn somethings from those who know; Watch somethings from those who do; Learn otherthings by self experience.
DO NOT LEARN HINDUTVA FROM THESE STREET THUGS who doesn’t even know the VALUE of DHARMA..KARMA…COMPASSION..KINDNESS ..FORGIVENESS..
Stanza 18: A service without flowers, the king without a horse and friendship with one who does not know the language (one who cannot carry an intelligent conversation) are a waste.
That means any religious teaching WITHOUT the FUNDAMENTAL principles of DHARMA..KARMA…COMPASSION..KINDNESS ..FORGIVENESS.. or in ONE WORD HUMANITY is UTTER NONSENSE THING TO TALK ABOUT …..
do you want to LEARN HINDUTVA FROM THESE STREET THUGS..who teaches us relegious intolerance…???
.who politicizes the service of one group instead of recognizing it …?
who cannot step up to provide the better service for people in need , rather steps in to create a sectarian violence …???
THINK THINK THINK again ..DO not Be Influenced by these people in one day watch their actions first …watch who r their followers ..and hear those words next….
One of the most intellectually stimulating speeches which I have come across.
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Thanks and regards,
Esvar
I wish there were more people like Mr. Gurumurthy in the Indian media. I have been an avid reader of his columns in The New indian Express. He writes with clarity and logic and his writings inspire and enthuse us. Congrats. Keep up the good work.
Another one for ur attn :samskritam vs hindi & english
this is reg a post in satyabhashanam …
http://satyabhashnam.blogspot.com/2009/07/rbi-circular-use-hindi-in-banks.html
wht follows is my comment (within quotes )
” it sad enuf that hindi ( language of middle eastern blood ) has to be our national language and now it is be enforced in banks too along with xtists introduced english .. gr8 ! ,,,, hindi is no different from any other regional language in reality , so the special status given to it is unfair …. if there is any one language that deserves to be our nationallanguage then it can only be samskritam – the mother of all languages , the most perfect language and totally bharatiya at that …. i hope u can write a post about samskritam getting its rightful place as our national language and all other languages , including hindi , accorded equal merit at second position ….
cheers! ”
does this land not deserve to have a language of its own to call its national language .. do we need to be dhimmis and slaves depending so much on languages of islamic and christian origin ? i hope u can throw in a write up to see the validity of samskritam as the national language coz it defines wht bharatham truly is .. rt? how can one conceive as a national language anything other than the one that truly defines the nation and its ethos over millenia ?
cheers !
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I do agree India is a great country by history. But today’s India is not that much great Mr.Gurumurthy. India is not projected by foreigners But it is. All because of
1. Pseudo democracy. 2. There is no honestness among leaders. 3. They are sucking their own peoples blood because of selfish.
Why not Mr. Gurumurthy Who has this much intelligence become a leader like Karunanidhi Who has not even passed third standard? What is preventing him? Think.