This is yet another update on Chidambaram Temple. SV Badri from chennai had written this piece of article.. This is clear and elaborate on the real history of Chidambaram..
I am reproducing this, so as to spread this alternate views on the Chindambaram Natarajar temple, to atleast the internet public..
Please pass on this, to your circle, so as people will have the opportunity to read the other side of the story..
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From: S V Badri <svbadri@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Subject: Chidambaram – Facts you won’t get to see/read in our secular media
To: svbadri@gmail.com
20 Mar. 08
CHIDAMBARAM – FACTS YOU WON’T GET TO READ IN OUR SECULAR MEDIA
BACKGROUND:
Many of my friends and some email acquaintances called me on the Chidambaram Nataraja Mandir issue. A few of them simply got carried away by reports in the mainstream media, which as always, is far removed from the truth.
“What is Kanakasabhai? What is its significance in Chidambaram Mandir”?
“Why are Dikshitars anti-Tamil”?
“Why can’t they allow a non-Brahmin, Arumugaswamy to render Thevaram?”
” Why are only Brahmins allowed to render Devsaram at the Kanakasabhai?
“Does this not reflect caste-discrimination of the Brahmins?”
” Why is the Tamil Thevaram not sung at the Kanagasabai and Pujas done only in Samskritam?”
Should not the Government step in and correct the anomaly in the rendering of the pujas?, a score of similar questions, shot at me with the tirelessness of Arjuna.
While I answered each of my caller and visitor patiently, it has also prompted me to write a piece on this if only to help clear the misconceptions of all people including some of my Brahmin friends.
The purpose of this write-up is not to go into any sordid details of what happened inside the Mandir on the fateful day before the Maha Shivaratri.
HR&CE and Chidambaram Nataraja Mandir:
The Chidambaram Nataraja Mandir does not come under the control of the Hindu Religious Charitable and Endowment Department (HR&CE) of the Govt of Tamil Nadu. The Madras High Court very clearly had given an order that this Mandir is a “Denominated Temple” and is independent of the Government’s HR&CE. Successive Dravidian Party lead Governments have always tried in vain to bring this under the HR&CE.
A few years back, an Executive Officer was appointed by the Govt of TN. The Dikshitars went to court and after the Madras High Court pronounced it as illegal, the Government order was revoked. The recent statement of the Minister for HR&CE reflects the Government’s intention to take-over this Mandir. The secular and very “Hindu-friendly” media started spreading canards demonising the Dikshitars, portraying them as anti-Tamil and adding fuel to the favourite full-time avocation of the Dravidian parties – Brahmin bashing. The whole event has been painted as Brahmin Vs Non-Brahmin, Aryan Vs Dravidian, Samskritam Vs Tamil issue. Nothing can be more malicious, as you will see from the following:
- What is Kanakasabhai? What is its significance in Chidambaram Mandir?
In every Mandir, the Sanctum Sanctorum where the Prana-Pratishta of the Moola Vigraha is made is called the “Garbha Griha”. The Garbha Griha in Chidambaram is called as “Chitsabhai”. This is where the Vigraha of Bhagawan Nataraja is housed. The Arthamandapam normally is the place from where the Bhaktas have their darshan in Mandirs. In Chidambaram, the Arthamandapam is called as “Kanakasabhai”. In many Mandirs, the Arthamandapam is devoid of any Vigrahas that need to be rendered daily Pujas as per the Aagamic traditions. However, the Kanakasabhai which is the Arthamandapam in Chidambaram Mandir, houses the Spatika Lingam of Chandramouleeswarar as also the Nandi Bhagawan and Ratna Sabhapathi.
The Mandir follows the 6 KAla Pujas, traditionally. The Dikshitars render the 6 KAla Pujas inside the Garbha Griha. At the end of each of these 6 KAla Puja, an OduvAr Murthy RENDERS the Tamil Hymns like the Thevaram. Just as a traditional priest is trained in all Samskrit Pujas, Shastras in a PAtashAla under a guru, the Oduvar Murthys are also trained in a PAtasAla in Tamil Hymns of prayer from a very young age and become experts in the rendering of these Soulful Hymns.
- Do the Oduvars sing from the Kanakasabhai? Why should only Brahmins sing from the Kanakasabhai?
This is a mischievous propaganda of the atheists and the government headed by a self-proclaimed, yellow-shawl-wearing-atheist, Karunanidhi. Kanakasabhai is the Arthamandapam in Chidambaram Mandir. Kanakasabhai houses the Spatika Lingam of Chandramouleeswara along with Nandi Bhagawan and Rathna Sabhapathi. This place is revered with the same sanctity reserved normally for the Garbha Griha. That only Brahmins are permitted to sing Thevaram from Kanakasabhai or that Non-Brahmins are prohibited from singing Thevaram from Kanakasabhai is a deliberate lie to show the Dikshitars in poor light. The fact is that NOBODY, NOT BRAHMINS, NOT NON- BRAHMINS are permitted to sing Thevaram or for that matter any Slokas and in any language in the Kanakasabhai. The rights rest only with the Dikshitars to offer the traditional Pujas to the Bhagawan, including singing of the Thevaram from Kanakasabhai.
Bhaktas, irrespective of their caste can sing any Tamil hymn from anywhere other than the Arthamandapam, the Kanakasabhai, which is the exclusive domain of the Dikshitars. Just because I have learnt all the mantras from the CD, I cannot claim it my right to recite the Abhisheka mantras from the Garbha Griha at the Bhagawan Balaji Mandir, Tirupati, even if I am a Brahmin by birth and that it was my late Grandfather who gave from the Mandir, the world famous Tirupati Laddu.
Similarly, nobody other than the priests is permitted inside the Garbha Griha, in any Hindu Mandir in South India. This includes even Brahmins, who are not priests of the Mandir. They have to just stand along with all the others in the Arthamandapam and have darshan of the Bhagawan, the presiding deity. While in all Mandirs the Pujas end within the Garbha Griha, in Chidambaram, the Dikshitars render certain Pujas from the Arthamandapam called as the Kanakasabhai. Therefore, the Kanakasabhai attains significance.
- Why are Dikshitars Anti-Tamil?
Nothing can be farther from the truth than this. While the Vaishnava priests who are well-versed in all the Agamic Samskrit pujas, be it Vaikhanasa or Pancharatra, are also well trained by the Guru ParamparA, in rendering the soul-stirring PAsurams of the AzhvArs, NAlayara Divya Prabandham etc., which are in exquisite Tamil; the Dikshitars spend years to get trained under their Gurus in both the Agamic and the Tamil Hymns of the Shaiva NAyanmArs etc., They are trained to render them in perfect diction. Many people are not aware that the Pujas in the Nataraja Mandir is not complete with just the traditional rendering of Sankrit Slokas in the Garbha Griha. The Pujas are complete only after the rendering of the Thevaram etc., in mellifluous voice by the Oduvar Murthys and the Dikshitars.
- Why can’t they allow a non-Brahmin, Arumugaswamy to render Thevaram from the Kanakasabhai?
The Dravidian Parties are at it again, Brahmin-bashing. They always resort to this as a breather in between their all time favourite, Hindu-bashing. This is a typical Brahmin Vs Non-Brahmin twist the Media portrays to please its political masters. Many people are not aware that the Bhaktas including the Brahmin Bhaktas are barred from rendering Thevaram or any Samskrit Sloka at the Kanakasabhai. Arumugaswamy is not a classic Oduvar out of the Gurukula of trained Oduvar mould. Besides, one has to understand the unique status of the Arthamandapam, the Kanakasabhai. Brahmins other than the traditional priests of the Mandir, the Dikshitars, are not allowed to render Pujas inside the Sanctum (Garbha Griha). Similarly, Brahmins are not allowed to render that part of the Nithya Puja, rendering of the Thevaram from the Kanakasabhai also. So the mischief of the Minister and the Media becomes evident that the issue is NOT Brahmin Vs Non-Brahmin, but one of sticking to Age-old Traditions, Shastras followed by the Mandir. So the argument that there is gross caste discrimination in this issue falls flat on its face.
- What does the Madras High Court say about the Chidambaram Mandir and its Dikshitars?
The Chidambaram Natarajar Temple is a denominated temple and its “Denomination” status had been originally conferred by the Court of Law during the British Period in the year 1891 and the same had been confirmed by the Supreme Court of India in the year 1958, asserting that, the micro-minority community of Dikshidars only have the traditional rights over the administration, customs and rituals of the Temple and that the HR & CE department doesn’t have the legal sanction to interfere in the affairs of this Temple.
The Madras High Court in its earlier order had clearly stated that the Dikshitars belong to a “religious denomination” and have the sole right to perform the Religious Pujas in the Nataraja Mandir of Chidambaram.
- Does the HR&CE have the right to interfere?
However, to its credit, the HR&CE, has appropriated the right to loot Hindu Mandirs and its properties.
- Who are the constituents of the group that went with Arumugaswamy to raise the ruckus inside the Kanakasabhai?
A contingent of E V Ramaswamy Naicker’s Dravida Kazhagam Athiests, who I doubt have any idea of what Thevaram is. Indian Commies, whose stand as anti-Hindus (not the minorities or their religion) is well known. Human Rights activists, who fish in troubled waters for their 2 min fame under the arc-lights and escape when the minorities are proved to commit atrocities on the majority. Tamil Chauvinists, who had no idea that the Tamil Hymns are indeed rendered everyday by the Dikshitars from the Kanakasabhai and that anyone can render Tamil hymns in any part of the Mandir except the Garbha Griha and the Kanakasabhai. Linguistic chauvinist parties, who had never entered this Mandir in their lifetime and in all likelihood, will enter only to create disturbance of peace in a Hindu Mandir again, under the pretext of protecting Tamil language. Many of you may not be aware that the people who were with Arumugaswamy faltered innumerable times during their trial rendering of the Thevaram, when they entered the Kanakasabhai waving the copy of the illegal order of the HR&CE.
There were two Muslim Attorneys who accompanied Arumugaswamy and got arrested along with him and the Dikshitars. Will these Advocates join me if I want to take a small group of Tamil lovers to protect Tamil Thai (Mother Tamil) in Mosques?
- Why do these people not agitate in Mosques and English Churches (There are Tamil Churches also), where Arabic and English prayers are rendered to their respective Gods?
Because, we Hindus are not given to violence, spontaneously. We have become docile, as we have lost all our ‘Kshatriyatva’. We are Spineless and cannot assert our rights to our prescribed or chosen methods of prayer. We have become so powerless that we cannot even defend ourselves. And when we hit back with rare and well deserved ferocity as we did in Gujarat, we do not know how to defend ourselves, aggressively from the pack of journalist and human right wolves that pounce on us in the name of protecting the minorities.
Unfortunately no Tamil leader will volunteer to fight for the cause of Tamil when it cannot become the medium of prayer for the Tamil Musalman in a Mosque that lies on the Tamil Bhoomi of Tamil Nadu. “Engum Tamizh, Edilum Tamizh”, meaning “Tamil Everywhere”, “Tamil in Everything” is the dictum of these Tamil chauvinists. And these Tamil protectors have no balls to barge into a Mosque and demand that Arabic be replaced by Tamil, by Tamils and in the land of Tamils. I wonder if the rulers in various States and in Delhi have already conceded that our country is becoming Dar-ul-Islam or that it is ready to welcome the coming back of the messiah through most fraudulent means. The linguistic chauvinists are all Hindu-bashers, hence by extension, secular and therefore this selective protection of Tamil is their patented right. Q.E.D.
They will not question why there should be a separate English and Tamil Church, like the two-tumbler system. Or why there should be a KApu Church, A Reddy Church etc., Or why should the “caste” Christists of Eraiyur kick the shit out of the converted “Dalit” Christists. To them this is not discrimination. And they dare not make an agitation to include Tamil prayers in the so-called English Churches and Mosques. And the Christists will continue their separate church and burial ground for the Dalit converts. And none who went with Arumugaswamy will dare come out in demonstration against these acts of blatant discrimination and christist hooliganism.
- The HR&CE Minister said “The Dikshitars are not managing the landed properties of the Mandir properly hence there is a need for the Government to take control of the Mandir and regulate it” What is the truth?
This is malicious falsehood. These Dravidian Party ministers go one up on Goebbels. Many people are not aware that the Chidambaram Mandir owns no landed property at all and it has always been run by the “Kattalais”, meaning donations from devotees. Therefore, the allegation of mismanagement of Mandir assets by the Dikshitars is false and deserves to be consigned to governmental dustbins. The information on this Mandir Kattalai system is available in a brilliant book titled – “The Economy of South Indian Temples” by GN Ramakrishna Iyer, published by the Annamalai University, year 1946, Page 50-51.
Therefore, the manufactured pretext of mismanagement of the property by the Dikshitars, only to take control of the Mandir, holds no water.
- Karunanidhi said that “Those Gods who cannot understand Tamil can leave Tamil Nadu”. What is your take?
Karunanidhi is one up on the Thackerays. Thackeray threatens the mortals. Karunanidhi is always special. He assumes the powers to banish non-Tamil-understanding- Gods from his Tamil Land.
Poor, Allah! When the Mosques do not even give him the opportunity to listen to the Suras in chaste Tamil instead of Arabic, where will he go to learn Tamil? Atleast, Jesus has a generous sprinkle of Tamil Churches to chisel the raw edges of his language. Will Karunanidhi ever nurse the idea to banish Allah, for his ignorance of the Tamil Language? Or will he send Jesus packing to his troubled land?
Karunanidhi should thank Samuel Rajasekhar. Because, Samuel will offer them subsidy to travel to their respective domains.
And for the benefit of Karunanidhi, in the biggest Hindu Mandir, the Tirupati Balaji Mandir, the Samskrit prayers are always augmented by the rendering of the Aazhwars PAsurams, NAlayira Divya Prabandham, Aandal Tiruppavai. During the daily Thomala Seva, one gets to hear the “MArgazhi Thingal” sung inside the Sanctum in its perfect diction. Bless our Stars! Rendering of prayers in Tamil is an age-old tradition in all the Shaiva and Vaishnava Mandirs.
The Hindu Gods are relieved.
The Hindu Gods do not have any language problem. They can accept prayers in any form and in any language. However, they may enjoy Samskrit better because it is after all the Deva BAsha, the language of the Gods and the mother of all languages, known and unknown.
Deva Basha – God’s own.
Namaste,
S V Badri
I came to understand the things which are purvertedly published in the secular medias and I have also clarified in all aspects both spiritualy,technicaly and legally and which is more helpful to explain the things to the hindu people who were innocently thinking that the dhikshiters were anti tamil and against non brahmins.Even the most spiritual tamil loving hindu people were wrongly guided by psudeo secular media that the hindu traditions were against the tamil language.Now the hindu political party BJP also shy to express the truth with strong will since it seems that the party is polluted with some of the selfish people who are not at all knowing the root of their organisations and the persons those shed their body,meterial,soul and life for the unity of hindu people.Unless we all work with determination and will,courage,selflessthinking,detached with name and fame we may face serious consequences in the near futre under the regime of Christian Sonia,Mulla Karunanithi and dangerous communists,
Timely article. I knew the facts before-hand and they have been confirmed now. The Tamil magazine Thuglak brought out for the first time that Muslims gained entry on to the Kanagasabai duly supported by our atheist politicians. It was all disconcerting. I have seen the Dikshadars singing devarams from the Kanagasabai and no one, no one at all except the Dikshadars, are allowed to stand on the Kanagasabai during aarthis. Most of the Dikshadars live in abject poverty in what could only be called a Brahmins slum. What a pity that the Dikshadars should have been so frightened as to welcome these trouble-mongers with shawls and flowers. Saivam and Tamil are inseparable, but Karunanidhi and co., with skin-deep knowledge of Tamil – to learn Tamil with its ocean of literature and master it requires just as much devotion as to master Sanskrit – have hijacked this classic language, made money out of it and are now on the look-out for every fresh opportunity to loot the temples. We are a defenceless people, they have successfully divided us horizontally and vertically (language and caste), and any move to unit us is met with horrifying brutality and verbal terrorism. We have no friends in media, in print as well as electronic, we have no friends among rulers, our elite want to look as deracinated as possible. On the whole, a very depressing scenario. Naturally, the predatory religions of books will take advantage.
Dear Sir,
great explanation . You are right , india hindus are spineless .Its not the matter of caste ,status but rules and regulations which has been gurded for centuries.I am non bhramin but involved in temple work and I know the truth out there.
Sir , we need people like you .
ambe sivam .
what a fantastic article. Hats off to the author. But unfortunately, the commies, Tirumavalavans, Ramadoss & Co. ably supported by the yellow towel sporting Thalaivar are bent upon destroying what are uniquely Tamil and Traditional. It is high time that Hindus rally as one force to fight out these fissiparous elements and save this country.
I am grateful for the excellent explanation given Shri Badr for the unfortunate and deliberately planned disturbance in the Chidambaram temple. This clique of Sonia Gandh, Karunanidhi and their slaves are at it again. They have been looting the hindu temple properties and revenues to beef up their coffers. Our revenues are used to finance Muslims to go to Haj every year. Now Sonia and her goons are at it to do the same thing for the chiristians to go to Vatican.every year. Enrmous Funds coming illegally from Saudi Arabia and other muslim coungtries are used liberally to sabotage and create bloodshed and illegal conversion in India are covered up by the stupid government without question even when Pakistan is clearly involved to break up our coungtry. Similarly, enormous money coming from abroad to the Chruches and church related organizations are being freeiy used to convert innocent and ignorant Hindus under false pretenses. The christian church has been behind all the mass conversion activities in the border areas like Nagaland, Mizoram, Assm, Arunachar Pradesh and other negihrourhoods and overtly and covertly create unrest and breakaway movements. These are clearly acts of treason and are punishable with death. Every possible effort is made to defame Hindus, Hinduism for the most trivial activities. M.F. Hussain is allowed freely and conferred honours to defame Hindu gods by painiting them naked. When someone painted cartoons of Mohammed , there is a furor and fatwa issued to murder the cartoonists without any fear. 54 muslim nations in the UN wanted to protect Islam from being defamed in other countriesgot together spnsoring a rresolution. Some of the same Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia backed off. Clearly this was because they were afraid that other countries will demand ireciprocal treatment. They want to establish rights to convert and worship with their mosques in other countries but even now they forbid establishment of churches and temples in their own countries. They even forbid worship even in the privacy of the homes of the expatriates in their countries. They declare that all Hindus.are doomed to hell and Mr. Ratzinger, the Vatican Pope wants to convert all Hindus to save them. He and the other christians are very sure that they are all going to Heaven and Jesus christ is has reserved suites for them all. One who does not believe in Jesusis doomed to hell. One who calls god by a name other than Allah is worshipping the devil since Allah cannot understand languages other than Arabic.While Hinduism is so liberal, Islam and Christianity practice such extreme bigotry especially toward Hindus.
Anyway, Shri Badri’s article was extremely informative and he deserves our appreciation and thanks and encouragement.
Ramachandra
Dhanyawaad, Badriji.
By God’s Grace, a very nice, eye-opening and positive article !!
Truly, Kshaatra Dharma is the need of the Times ……..
Remember – Shri Raam – in Tretaa Yug, Shri Krishna in Dwaapaar Yug,
and in comparatively recent times –
Samartha Ramdaas Swami and Chatrapati Shivaaji,
Guru Govind Singh ji.
Let us draw inspiration from them …..
Hindu Jan Jagruti Samiti – along with other notable individuals, volunteers, Saints and organizations – are doing such noble work – for uniting Hindus, opening their eyes by organising DharmaJagruti Sabhas, Exhibitions, etc and voicing protests where injustice is being done against Sanatan Dharma (Hindu Dharma).
http://www.hindujagruti.org/
Thank you for a very clear explanation of the issues involved. It is tragic that even in the new millenium communal politics are the rule in Tamil Nadu.
Thanks for the wonderful article. When will we wake up and see things in their true colour? . May be it is already too late.
Sitting thousands of miles away from the homeland, we were constrained to know the truth and were really wondering what is wrong in allowing singing Tamil humns inside the Nataraja temple believing to the tilt what the Tamilnadu media dished out. Thanks to this nice post, we now know the truth and the true colors of the motives behind all these Halla-balloo.
Namaskaar Badri ji,
An excellent rebuttal to the ridiculous FUD created for political mileage.
Regards,
Reema.
Sir: Why are you referring to Chidambaram Kovil, as Chidambaram Mandir? You live in Tamil Naadu. This temple is supported mostly by the Tamil saivites. I did not read the rest of your article after I read the word “Mandir”. You should first learn to respect our mother tongue and the people of Tamil Naadu. Every thing else comes next. Singam
Thanks singam.. i just reproduced Badri’s article.. the article is intented for the audience, and hence badri might have used the word mandir.
The Tamil papers in Malaysia are also run by Tamil chauvinists and the reports were also distorted. I get my monthly pradosha prasad of Lord Nataraja and was sad to follow this unfortunate episode. Thank youji for this detailed enlightening report.
Many have lamented about the lack of unity & cooperation among the Hindus which has led to such sorry state not only in Tamilnadu, my ancestoral home, but also many other parts of Bharat. How did we allow this rot to set in?
In Malaysia, we Hindus who form only 7% of the population are facing numerous problems from the Islamic dominated race based ruling party. The last straw was the demolishen of a Hindu temple. In response to this, a recently established ‘Hindu Rights Action Front’ initiated protest last November has snowballed into unprecedented cooperation among the Hindus and has contributed towards massive vote swings towards the opposition parties. Five states are now under the opposition, something not even dreamed of before the March 2008. Now, both the ruling & opposition parties have extra respect for us Hindus. We proved that if we unite, we can change our fate.
In India also if we unite we can change everything. We must check & fight everything that is anti-Hindu. Buy up the media & organise them to reflect Hindu thoughts. Use the internet. It was also a major contributer to the Malaysian election results. Also with our voting power, we can show these garbage the way out. With 80% majority, we can do it.
Hari Aum Tat Sat,
P. Bala
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The Hindu Gods do not have any language problem. They can accept prayers in any form and in any language. However, they may enjoy Samskrit better because it is after all the Deva BAsha, the language of the Gods and the mother of all languages, known and unknown
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Total nonsense..
this is precisely the reason why commie idiots are cursing brahmins and regionalism is taking roots. People like karunanidhi surviving.
Wonderful article. Thanks to Senthil and Badri.
Fantastic details provided. Definitely an eye opener to whoever has biased vision because of black sunglasses.
Kudos…
Saravanan
Excellent eye opener for all Hindu people.
i feel that god has not sent us to fight for the languages, he sent us to fight for the peace.
If a person in high level can be against Hindu in Indian, then all the hard work rendered by Gandhiji and other freedom fighters foes in vain…
Hariharan
As a hindi and from CHIDAMBARAM this post just a good joke…That is all I can say…
As a Hindu and from CHIDAMBARAM these post just a good joke…That is all I can say…
Native Indian,
Could you care to elaborate on which parts were so hilariously fictional?
I’m not hindu, I espect Hindu, but historically, Chidambarum was built to honor Space or Brahmam. Space in its subtle form as that unbounded energy from which all material world arises. This temple was not meant to house a deity – it was built to house only empty Space. The addition of poojas to deities etc is something added over time. This is a place to worship the force that created the world. Dikshitars and their poojas were added later. There should be a return to the ancient and pure purpose of the temple.
Who is the builder of the temple? The Sthapatis. Who knows the true purpose and design of the temples? The sthapatis. Who should be asked about public conduct regarding temples? the Sthapatis. The ancient Vishwararma Brahmin tradition holds the knowledge of the function of temples (living, vibrating deities of their selves) that transcends religion, belief, and dogma. It is high time that Indians look to Traditional Sthapatis who come from ancient traditions (not those many sthapatis who only recently entered architecture) for the real meaning and deeply spiritual science behind temple worship.
The Brahmin priests and Dishhitars have no idea about the real meaning and purpose of temples. They are sincere yet unaware of the truth.
I’m not hindu, I respect Hindu, but historically, Chidambarum was built to honor Space or Brahmam. Space in its subtle form as that unbounded energy from which all material world arises. This temple was not meant to house a deity – it was built to house only empty Space. The addition of poojas to deities etc is something added over time. This is a place to worship the force that created the world. Dikshitars and their poojas were added later. There should be a return to the ancient and pure purpose of the temple.
Who is the builder of the temple? The Sthapatis. Who knows the true purpose and design of the temples? The sthapatis. Who should be asked about public conduct regarding temples? the Sthapatis. The ancient Vishwakarma Brahmin tradition holds the knowledge of the function of temples (living, vibrating deities of their selves) that transcends religion, belief, and dogma. It is high time that Indians look to Traditional Sthapatis who come from ancient traditions (not those many sthapatis who only recently entered architecture) for the real meaning and deeply spiritual science behind temple worship.
The Brahmin priests and Dishhitars have no idea about the real meaning and purpose of temples. They are sincere yet unaware of the truth.
Jessie..
Thanks a lot for your inputs. I agree with you.. but the present happenings are aimed at destroying the temple rather than restoring..
Any positive step is a welcome one..
Senthil,
I thought there would be fitting reply to Jessie. But what you had given was, I suppose not to encourage any more debates on this. I think debates & deconstructions are absolute necessary for any civilized society.
I trust, I read this article after a very long time. I just thought, better late than never, to share my points here.
I have been a seeker for quite some time and I can clearly understand how a christian mind works. It has been repeatedly explained by my master Osho.
The statements Jessie had made are self presuming. With such a shallow knowledge on the matter of discussion one need not be so self deluding.
Here is what I think of Jessie’s statements, in braces.
I’m not hindu, I respect Hindu(Wow, so that hindus would listen what you are going to blabber), but historically (here is a master of history.. speaking for one and all), Chidambarum was built to honor Space or Brahmam(You got this right, but is that fully correct? Might not be…). Space in its subtle form as that unbounded energy from which all material world arises (Certainly you have got your training in expressions).
This temple was not meant to house a deity (There you go… he knows everything. He is the authority of Indian Hindu History)- it was built to house only empty Space (Lord Nataraja himself came and told in Jessie’s Dreams.). The addition of poojas to deities etc is something added over time(I think that bible says, at the begining, there was nothing but a word, and it was with the god and the word was god. Drawing parallels, all the things in the world are added only after that. I think when we add good things to our culture and life, we call it civilization.).
This is a place to worship the force that created the world(It seems Jessie knows better than a Hindu, nopes… Just making fun out of himself). Dikshitars and their poojas were added later(Yeah, So what? even dresses were added, so would you say it is not needed?). There should be a return to the ancient and pure purpose of the temple. (There is a basic and pressing need to clarify, Jessie is talking about the pure and ancient purpose of temples.. Are there any? What is so great about being ancient? as if it is a Wine. 200 years old, 300 years old kinda stuff?)
Who is the builder of the temple? The Sthapatis. Who knows the true purpose and design of the temples? The sthapatis. Who should be asked about public conduct regarding temples? the Sthapatis.
(Sthapatis, are the ultimate designers of the society. They have to be given all rights to decide on what is right for a society to do and what not to do. Rubbish. Then I don’t have to listen to my “Father” in church, But, just the mason.)
The ancient Vishwakarma Brahmin (This is a new sect I am coming to know what Vishwakarma has to do with Brahmin) tradition holds the knowledge of the function of temples (living, vibrating deities of their selves) that transcends religion, belief, and dogma (WOW, shallow shit, lets stop glorifying and get on to the real self).
It is high time that Indians look to Traditional Sthapatis who come from ancient traditions [not those many sthapatis who only recently entered architecture] (So that the church builders would be excluded?) for the real meaning and deeply spiritual science behind temple worship.
(This guy is a real hollow wood. Science & Deeply spritual ??)
The Brahmin priests and Dishhitars have no idea about the real meaning and purpose of temples.
(Mr. Jessie knows it. Now we shall appoint him as a world teacher who would enlighten the whole world about the REAL meaning & purpose of temples)
They are sincere yet unaware of the truth.
(YES. And the TRUTH is ??? You know, its a kinda called JESUS).
Jessie, Its better to keep mum on something we don’t know rather than blabberring.
May GOD be with you. Within YOU. YOU.
THanks a lot jenifer for putting your counter points..
Thank You for the article that proclaims the truth alone.. I am a native and resident of Chidambaram and i know that this article portrays Indigenous truth.
Hi Jennifer.
There is no Jesus. There is no proof of him other than Bible. Bible itself is a fake book, saying Earth is at centre of Solar system. This is the proof of their non-existence. Same with Islam as well