ARE WE HEADING TOWARDS A CHRISTIAN INDIA ?

ARE WE HEADING TOWARDS A CHRISTIAN INDIA ?

-By Francois Gautier (http://www.francoisgautier.com/)

I am a westerner and a born Christian. I was mainly brought up in catholic schools, my uncle, Father Guy Gautier, a gem of a man, was the parish head of the beautiful Saint Jean de Montmartre church in Paris ; my father, Jacques Gautier, a famous artist in France, and a truly good person if there ever was one, was a fervent catholic all his life, went to church nearly every day and lived by his Christian values. There are certain concepts in Christianity I am proud of : charity for others, the equality of system in many western countries, Christ’s message of love and compassion….

Yet, I am a little uneasy when I see how much Christianity is taking over India under the reign of Sonia Gandhi : according to a 2001 census, there are about 2.34 million Christians in India ; not even 2,5% of the nation, a negligible amount. Yet there are today five Christian chief ministers in Nagaland, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Kerala and Andhra Pradesh.
One should add that the majority of politicians in Sonia Gandhi’s closed circle are either Christians or Muslims. She seems to have no confidence in Hindus.Ambika Soni, a Christian, is General Secretary of the Congress and a very powerful person, with close access to Sonia Gandhi. Oscar Fernandes is Union Programme Implementation Minister. Margaret Alwa is the eminence grise of Maharasthra. Karnataka is virtually controlled by AK Anthony, whose secretaries are all from the Southern Christian association. Valson Thampu, a Hindu hater, is Chairman NCERT curriculum Review Committee, John Dayal, another known Hindu baiter, has been named by Sonia Gandhi in the National Integration Council ; and Kancha Ilaya, who hates Hindus, is being allowed by the Indian Government to lobby with the UN and US Congress so that caste discrimination in India is taken-up by these bodies.

I have nothing personnally against Sonia Gandhi, in fact she probably is a good person to win the alliegance of so many and certainly a loving mother . I share with her a love for India, like her I have lived in this country for over 30 years and like her I have married an Indian. But nevertheless, since she is at the top, Christian conversions in India seem to have gone in overdrive. More than 4,000 foreign Christian missionaries are involved in conversion activities across different states. In Tripura, there were no Christians at independence, there are 120.000 today, a 90% increase since 1991. The figures are even more striking in Arunachal Pradesh, where there were only 1710 Christians in 1961, but 1,2 million today, as well as 780 churches! In Andhra Pradesh, churches are coming-up every day in far flung villages and there was even an attempt to set-up one near Tirupati. Many of the North-East separatist movements, such as the Mizo or the Bodos, are not only Christian dominated, but also sometimes function with the covert backing of the missionaries. In Kerala, particularly in the poor coastal districts, you find “miracle boxes” put in local churches: the gullible villager writes out a paper mentionning his wish: a fising boat, a loan for a pukka house, fees for the son’s schooling… And lo, a few weeks later, the miracle happens ! And of course the whole family converts, making others in the village follow suit. During the Tsunami, entire dalit villages in Tamil Nadu were converted to Christianity with the lure of money.

It is true that there have been a few backlashes against missionnaries and nuns, particularly the gruesome muder of Staines and his two sons. But Belgium historian Konenraad Elst laments that « When over a thousand Hindus are killed and a quarter million Hindus ethnically cleansed in Kashmir, the world media doesn’t even notice, but watch the worldwide hue and cry when a few local riots take place and a few missionaries are killed by unidentified tribal miscreants. Christian Naga terrorists have been killing non-Christians for decades on end, and this has never been an issue with the world media, except to bewail the “oppression” of the Nagas by “Hindu India” ». More than 20,000 people have lost their lives to insurgency in Assam and Manipur in the past two decades. As recently as last week, four paramilitary Assam Rifles soldiers were killed in an ambush yesterday by the outlawed United National Liberation Front (UNLF).

The other day I was at the Madras Medical center, the foremost heart hospital in Madras. Right when you enter the lobby, you find a chapel, inviting everybody to pray, there are pictures and quotations of Christ everywhere and a priest visits all the patients, without being invited at all. Educational institutes and orphanages run by Christian organisations have become big business in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other states. In Pondichery, where I am often, schools run by Adventists force their pupils, mostly Hindus, to say Christian prayers every day and attend mass. They are constantly fed anti Hindu slogans and biases under different forms, whether it is in history books, or discourses by priests during religious classes. Even in the elite schools or colleges, such as Saint Stephen in Delhi, Saint Xavier in Calcutta or Loyola college in Madras, where no direct proletization is attempted, Hindu pupils are subtly encouraged towards skepticism of their own religion, and admiration of whatever is Western. One should also say that it’s a one way traffic : remember the furor when MM Joshi wanted the Saraswati hymn to be sung at a Chief Ministers’ meet on education ? And imagine the uproar in secular India if portions of the Bhagavad Gita, this Bible for all humanity, were read at the beginning of the day in public schools ?

Sonia Gandhi said during the last National Integration Council meeting : « We are committed to ideological battle against communal forces which seek to destroy our diversity and polarise us. Certain parties promote polarisation and confrontation. And there are certain regimes in India which promote communalism ». But is not actually the Congress under Mrs Gandhi, which is promoting communalism, by insidiously installing Christians and Muslims (and Marxists) everywhere, propping up Christian states, allowing a free hand too missionnaries and pressing for reservations for Christian Dalits and Muslims, as recently done in AP, in a nation of 850 million Hindus ?

In my country, France, a Christian majority nation , it would be unthinkable to have Hindus – or even Indian born French for that matter – in so many positions of power. Impossible also to find a non-elected, non French, non-Christian person being the absolute ruler of the country behind the scene as Sonia Gandhi is in India. Indians like to say that the greatness of India is that it accepts a foreigner and a Christian like Sonia Gandhi. But is’nt it rather a weakness, and an aberration ? Can’t we find a worthy leader amongst one billion Indians ? This is an India where you see today Swami Avimukteshwarananda Saraswati of Dwarka Peeth, made to disembark from an Indian Airlines flight for carrying his holy dand, a thin bamboo stick which is a symbol of their spiritual designation, inside the aircraft cabin. Are we heading then towards a Christian India under Sonia Gandhi’s helm? It would be a tremendous loss not only to India, but also to the world. For in India, you find the only living spirituality left on this planet.

86 Responses to “ARE WE HEADING TOWARDS A CHRISTIAN INDIA ?”


  1. 1 Jean Paul Satre November 30, 2006 at 1:53 pm

    Touche!

    Great article!

    We must drive all foreigners out of this country, including Francois Gautier and make Swanu Avunukteshwarananda Saraswati of Dwarka Peeth as out PM, Hinduism our national religion. We must preserve our religion from foreigners who are mostly christians.

    Jai Hind!

  2. 2 Mahesh January 31, 2007 at 7:41 pm

    Percentage mentioned in the statistics is too less to hide all dirty things that is going in India. Christianity is never a religion it is just a story created by Vatican for their fund. Pope is the organizer of creating hatred among people. Mass conversions

    For all missionaries: “Christianity gives nothing different. Please keep your interests with yourself”.
    Please look into this as well…..
    http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=21&Itemid=54

  3. 3 jijo February 3, 2007 at 5:14 pm

    Tracing back the true value of Sathanar system

    Sathanar Worship is a divine worship binding everyone together leading to self discipline within the soceity group.

    Ayyappa or Sastha worship may be considered to be a recent phenomenon by many, but in the Tamil country He had been worshipped from time immemorial and Tamil literary works like Silappadikaram speak about this. He was worshipped as Ayyanar, Sathan and by other names, according to them.

    There were Tamil poets belonging to the Sangam period who had names like Madurai Koola Vaanigan Sathanar and Seethalai Sathanar and another poet with the name, Ayyanarithanar. Almost all villages in the Tamil country in the past and present had temples for Ayyanar at their entrance with huge images of Ayyanar riding the horse.

    Although Satanism and witchcraft have become synonymous in the popular mind for many centuries, they constitute two vastly divergent philosophies and metaphysical systems. Generally speaking, witchcraft, the Old Religion, has its origins in primitive nature worship and has no devil or Satan in its cosmology.

    While some traditional witches seek to control the forces of nature and elemental forces in both the seen and unseen worlds, others are contented to work with herbs and healing. In essence, what many have described as the “power” of witchcraft throughout the ages may be the effective exercise of mind over matter, those abilities in the transcendent level of mind that today we term psychic or mental phenomena.

    True Satanism—although manifesting in a multitude of forms and expressions and having also originated in an ancient worship of a pre-Judeo-Christian god—is today essentially a corruption of both the nature worship of witchcraft and the formal Christian church service, especially the rites of the Roman Catholic Church.

    In contemporary times, many of those who openly claim to be Paganism with ancestrol links to various Satanic groups; Satanists and to belong to organized satanic groups insist that they do not worship the image of the devil condemned by Christian and other religions because the word “Satan” does not specify a being, but rather a movement or a state of mind.

    What Satanists do worship, these individuals explain, is a spirit being commonly known as Sathan in English and Sathanas in Latin. They do not believe Satan to be the Supreme God, but they believe him to be the messenger of God in that he brought to Eve the knowledge of God.

    Satanists believe that there is a God above and beyond the “god” that created the cosmos. The most high God takes no part in the affairs of the world; thus Satanists believe their faith to be the only true religion, insofar as revealed religion to mortals can be understood.

    Generally speaking, the kind of Satanism championed by LaVey and others preaches indulgence in personal pleasure, and it has never pretended to be other than a counterculture alternative to the civil and religious establishments and a relentless foe of conventional morality. But none of the satanic cults, such as the Church of Satan or the Temple of Set, have many points in common with the conservative Christian concept of Satan. They do not worship a Satan that commands demons and seduces human souls into hell. To most of the satanic cultists, Satan represents a force of nature that inspires their own individual expressions of virility and sexuality.

  4. 5 archanaraghuram June 30, 2007 at 12:05 pm

    Very informative Senthil. I knew conversions were happening at a high rate, didn’t think the statistics would be so alarming!!!

    When you convert a community a lot of culture and heritage is lost (like their art form, dance, music because they are all religion oriented). It is really very sad.

  5. 6 Long_Live_Hinduism July 23, 2007 at 6:37 pm

    It’s time to drive the proselytizing missionaries out of Hindustan. Jai Hind!

  6. 7 psenthilraja July 24, 2007 at 8:27 pm

    Thanks Archana. Its really a great danger, that most of the Hindus are really unaware of. Because, a culture is the life line of a people, when lost, they lose every thing.

    If we do not awaken now, then we will be added to the list of Greek & Roman cutlures.

  7. 8 PSN July 27, 2007 at 8:57 pm

    Hi,
    I was browsing through the web and came across an interesting petition to protest the ‘cross’ symbol on India’s National Currency (the recently issued Re 2 coin). As a secular Indian, it concerns me to see the use of a religious symbol on national currency in order to promote religion. Interestingly, the map of India and Satyamev Jayate are also missing on these newly issued Re2 coins. I believe that the use of a religious symbol on the nation’s currency is a gross violation of India’s ’secular’ principles (since the symbol is not representative of all the people of India). It violates the Constitution of India which proclaims that India is a ’secular’ state. Here’s the link in case you are interested in reading the protest petition against the ‘cross’ on the Re2 coin. http://www.petitiononline.com/cross2cn/petition.html

  8. 9 Indian_to_Indians September 18, 2007 at 6:01 am

    The Italian has finally withdrawn the controversial report. That is not enough. The woman and her buddy Man(?)Mohan should be punished severely. Partly, the fault lies with BJP – they should have taken care of the Nehru family, especially the Italian and her puppies, while in power.

  9. 10 Invisible China November 2, 2007 at 11:44 am

    What an EYE OPENING ARTICLE tat too written by a French. Well I didn’t know convertism is happening with this much pace…..MONEY RULES – than CHRISTIANITY here – best way to eradicate this probelm totally is not chucking those CHRISTIANS/ANY ONE out, but to GIVE THE MOST IMP EDUCATION FOR ALL INDIANS and make them SELF SUFFICIENT/SUPPORTED PPL :) Once they achieve that stage there will be less need for the change – if they still need to go then – Let them Go and embrace any of their faiths :) but we sud make them to THINK and then allow them to take decisions rather than econmic situation taking them over…like now. Senthil I came down seeing ur responses from Archana’s Blog. Good blog with some good thoughts and facts – will continue to drop by :)

  10. 11 senthil November 14, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    Thanks vinod.. that’s what my opinion is.. People who voluntarily convert should not be stopped.. but, most of the conversions are happening through force, conspiracy & coercion.

    I have my own bad experience with christianity.. My close relative after getting converted started ridiculing us like “You are worshipping a stone”, “Your god is false” etc. What made him to utter like that?

    Thanks for dropping by.. i have added your blog to my google reader :)

  11. 12 S.SUDARSAN November 14, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    Wonderful and thought provoking article. I am making copies of this and have them circulated among my colleagues. Keep writing more such articles

  12. 13 senthil November 15, 2007 at 11:51 am

    Thanks sudarshan.. please visit francois gautier’s home page at http://www.francoisgautier.com/

  13. 15 Jim February 4, 2008 at 4:13 am

    Every time the Christian population in any part of India increases they always create trouble. See North East and now see Orissa. The Sangh Parivar is quite right to be vigilant against such forces of darkness but still violence is never an acceptable means to show displeasure. A better approach is to expose the real designs of this padres and evengalists. True love of Lord Jesus who was truly sent to free us can be only experienced outside the python like grip of the church in all its forms — innervoice@mailcity.com

  14. 17 TruthSeeker February 8, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Hey ppl, I checked the bible to see what Jesus has to say;

    36 – Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence…

    URLs
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=48&chapter=15&version=9
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=27&version=9

    Jesus Christ is not fighting for INDIA or any nation as such.

    If India was to become a Christian country, problems will not disappear it would double. Look at western countries there is a lot of wickedness behind the posh looks. They are called Christians not by their faith but ancestors & rotton culture.

    Find out what our 1st PM said -

    Pray that we discern wisely in this matter.

    I shall never light candles in any Church, but will obey what the Christ Jesus says.

    Join with me in this tour of seeking the truth which can set us free. Into a new world where justice never fails and law never departs.

  15. 19 thomas February 13, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    if christain missionaies are doing converssions it is beacuse of the fault of hindu saints.hindu saints,brahmins and other leaders are not interested to give any help to the millions of poor hindus,instead they played with cast ystem and used majority hindus as slaves,the lower caste people (the majority people)are not allowed to educate or to enter temples,brahmins never done any job and enjoyed th eliife all thse days.in kerala with the activities of christian missionaries and communism
    lower caste people educated and made money and escaped from the trap of brahmins.it is true that christain missionarie are doing converssion,if a religion is failed to give physical goodness to its devotees what is the use of continueeing in that religion.hungry stomach needs food not gyatri mantra the missionaries are taking advantage in bagvath geetha lord sree krishna says greatest sorroow is poverty

  16. 20 senthil February 16, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    thomas..
    If some one left their house open, its not your excuse to go and rob it..

    This is not the good old days, where what you said, ruled the roost.. today its internet age.. the truth is that the missionaries, had collapsed the societal structure, and even after independance, flexed their muscle & money power among government to keep thousands of temples virtually idle, and inactive, so that hindu leaders would not have any means to serve the society..

    Caste system is not the one you described.. what you have said aptly fits in to the caste system of europe.. In india, the upper caste always lived a simple and disciplined life, while the shudras were give all freedom.. the kshatriyas were at the top of society, and controlled everything..

    Unlike eurpose where prosperous castes exploited poort castes, in india, the casets are equally interdependant.. the present degraded situation was artificially created by britishers, under the advice of missionaries..

    Note that, when travancore king issued an order to allow all castes to all temples in his region, in 1920, the missionaries approached the queen, and got an order to dethrone him, if he proceeded with this order.. after preventing this, they played worst politics after that..

    Just wait for few more years, and all the ugly faces of the missionaries will be known, that you would find the true spirit of christianity..

    In Hinduism, religion is not a business.. its a traditional culture inherited.. so there is not question of leaving or joining..

    I am again reminding you, the rich india was made poor by britishers, and the missionaries ensured that poverty remained longer so that they can continue be the saviour.. your point becomes invalid..

  17. 21 Koshy February 21, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Senthil, What was the culture in india long back? It’ was the most primitive culture thw world would have come across??India had a million kings and they fought among themselves, It’s true that britishers looted india, but missionaries has absolutely tried to wipe the bad things which existed in india.All britishers were not missionaries..Rich india become poor due to our ancestors only and its not right to blame the britishers alone. If we as indians existed in peace long back, this would nt have happened..Castim, sati and all evil cults were here when britishers came here..We should be thankful for the missionaries for educating ppl and abandon atleast some of those evils..Our culture was diverse and not that great.. Please dont just blindly tell something about our country..Am happy that we have developed atleast this much..

  18. 22 senthil February 22, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Dear Koshy..

    /** What was the culture in india long back? **/
    I wish, that you let me know the answer, without any prejudice..

    Regarding missionaries, probably you need to read the real history.. They wiped out things.. But, not as you wished.. rather they wiped out all unique culture of this world, right from Inca civilization to Mayan Civilization. They executed Goa Inquisition, torturing the Hindus, mostly brahmins.. The torture was as cruel as what hitler did..

    Please read the book “Goa Inquisition”.. refer the following url .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goa_Inquisition_(book)

    You are attempting a hero villain concept.. trying to project missionaries as hero, and our people as villain..

    Btw, if casteism is evil for discrimination, will you accept the two major semitic religions in the same line, for they have instigated million times more discrimination than caste system.. ? If not, then you views are biased, and selective.. and for your info, the same caste system existed more vigorously in Europe..

    You cannot show any form of massacre or genocide in caste system.. but i can show numerous accounts of genocide based on religion.. Caste is not evil as projected.. its most mis-understood thing..

    And on similar line, all that you say evil are to be re-looked.. but, will your biased attitude, allow this?

    As per your argument, britishers looted india.. if india was as poor and backward as you imagine, how could they loot a poor india.. and if india was so backward and illiterate, how could our ancestors accumulate so much wealth..

    So, the truth is something other, to be explored.. if you find time, read the book “The forgotten empire” describing about our 12th century vijayanagara empire.. (http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext02/fevch10.txt)

    Abusing our own culture is equivalent to abusing our own mother.. there is nothing remains after that.. Look at the australians.. even after committing so much of crime, it took so much time and pressure for them to apologise.. arent what they did the most evil? Are they defaming themselves, like you..

  19. 23 Yogi March 18, 2008 at 2:51 am

    Hello Senthil,

    I agree with the article on the Christianity. I know a person Loganathan alias Joseph, he is from a poor background(Schedule Caste) with 5 siblings. His father is coolie and mom house wife. Mostly his brothers are into rowdism and pick others. A christian organization approached his family, Gave them Rs. 15,000 to convert their entire family ( Later I came to know that the pastor who converted their family almost got 15,000 per person) and agreed to pay Rs. 300 each/every month for attending Church twice a week for 3 hrs. Later after 6 months they processed some religious visa for Joseph, sent him to USA. Later he got a job in some supermarket converted his visa and he is doing good now, obviously his family is doing good.

    I hated christian missionaries personally for this kinda conversion, taking advantage of people weakness. Later when you brainstorm who/why people are getting converted to christianism in India. Most of them are poor people who dont know how to meet their needs and people who are ignored of their status in their religion, its less than 1% or 2% who are getting converted because of christian ideology ( Hinduism preaches almost everything). It doesn’t matter for poor people, whether he is a christian or Hindu all they need is food for today or tomorrow and status in the society to be treated equally. I don’t blame people for getting converted to christianism and Hindu’s doesn’t have to be afraid of these people, coz you pay them more/treat them equally they will get converted to hinduism.

    In India, Hindu Gods/temples are rich but hindus are poor. You should know from the fact that why India was Arab/persians target. Every Matt/Ashrama/saints in India are rich, I dont know why a matt or saint need that kinda wealth. Sringeri matt has a golden chair, every temple has golden ratha, golden ornaments for God, Matt people are doing kanakabhisekam for sankaracharya when there are crores of people who are starving for a slice of bread. Instead of accumulating wealths, these people/organisations should come forward try to help poor people, remove inequalities in the society, preach Morals to people instead of blessing corrupted politians/officers.

    Hindu fanatics instead of attacking christian missionaries they should sit and think what are the evil factors in Hinduism, how to eliminate it that will fix most of these issues. Will they do it?

    Fyi: Hinduism is rich and deep rooted, people don’t have to panic. It took ten thousands of years to spread across and it will take ten thousands of years to eliminate it.

    Thanks
    Yogi

  20. 24 senthil March 18, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Yogi..

    Thanks for your comment..

    I hope, you remember that the Hindu organisations are doing lots of service activities all over india..

    For example, the much maligned RSS and its wings do more than 1 laksh service projects all over india..
    The only thing is that they dont care for publicity..

    So, to say that hindu orgs, dont do anything is wrong..

    Secondly, the mutts are only part of hinduism, unlike missionaries which maintains monopoly over christianity..
    I agree to your views of mutt’s isolation from general public..

    There is one more angle to this conversion problem..

    Most of the temples, and all of the rich temples in Hinduism are under government control.. and missionaries invest heavily in political parties, and later flux this influence to get what they wanted.. ie to divert temple funds away from temple activities..

    So, the poverty is in one case, a manipulation in which the missionaries are behind..

    Secondly, they have to be questioned for aligning with britishers and helping them to loot our wealth to utter poverty.. they should be made accountable..

    So, instead of abstract blaming, i request you to analyse and trace the root of the problems.. and you will end with governmental inefficiency, and hostile poilcty.. and if you further trace this, you will find, who is behind in influencing the governmental policies..

    For an example, the tribals lived completely separated from mainland hindus, preserving their own culture for thousands of years.. i request you to analyse why they are in utter poverty now..

    That’s why i am insisting to find the cause of the problem.. only then we will be able to find the solution..

  21. 25 Ram April 7, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    I think no one identify the basic problem please find in priorty order:

    1) we hindus don’t read our own books and have zero faith.
    2) we have lose all the respect for our girl child/ women.
    how
    a) we r killing them before birth(cause: dowry), that is the exterm writen in our books.
    b) we have lost faith in old tradition(every less failure rate) of marriage,
    we called it a child-marriage,
    but there is no problem if child of 15 years have a sex (they tell use our product call condum),now they r going to impart sex education.
    Presently divorce rate is reaching to 50% in metros,susides have jumped to
    alerminly high numbers.
    3) we people thing population is the problem (at the time of mahabarta more that 1000 crore people dies). Some wester told us that because of the population we r not growing and we belindly have faith on them.

    4)After solving above problem only its better to solve the problem of convertion.

    -Ram

  22. 26 mammen May 5, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Hi
    this blog on conversions made very interesting reading, Sure many of us feel concerned at the “alarming ” growth of christianity in India.
    but we need to keep in mind that christianity is not a western religion as alleged it started in palestine which is middle east. It came to India in AD 57 1500 years before the british. However the christian missionaries of the 18th and 19th centuries brought to India basic knowledge of health,education,medical care, social upliftment eradication of discrimnation on basis of birth,caste gender etc.
    what the so called Bharatiya culture couldnot do in centuries were accomplished in decades. For the first time India had printed materials,hospitals,schools,leprosy homes,homes for widows.
    there was new hope for the marginalised of the society which was not heard of in the great Indian culture.
    So Christianity not only changes a man spiritually but brings about a total change in his attitude to life and outlook,it is not a wonder then that “alarming”numbers of people are taking to it

  23. 27 senthil May 12, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    /** However the christian missionaries of the 18th and 19th centuries brought to India basic knowledge of health,education,medical care, social upliftment eradication of discrimnation on basis of birth,caste gender etc.
    **/

    This is utter dis-information.. Did you mean, they brought social justice through goa inquisition, coveted conversions, and destroying temples..

    Its the opposite.. They learned education from india, and stole most of the sanskrite books from through out india and copied from it most of their mathematical advancement.

    Before britishers came, bengal had more than 1 laksh schools and madras presidency had also 1 laksh schools, which imparted educated from basic to advanced levels..

    remember, recently more than 1000 people rejoined hinduism after three generations..
    The same exposed rampant discrimination within christian community.. infact, the concept of discrimination was brought heavily by them..

  24. 28 Nila May 12, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Before british came to India the literacy rate was 33%, no one in the world then.When they left India you can imagine what the % was.Foreign trade was 27% before british arrived and when they left it was 1% that too only with britain

  25. 29 sakthisagaram June 17, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    There should be a strong Anti Conversion Bill in India first. Ask sonia to go back to her house at Italy. there sons daughter can live here at ordinary citizen.

    burn the Marxist/Leninist Books and it is an outdated good for reading only philosophy. take out all this non-sense books from the Libraries of India.

    ESTABLISH INDIA AS A BASIC HINDU COUNTRY! BEFORE 2023 THIS WILL HAPPEN HINDUS ARE WAKING UP

    VANDE MATARAM!

  26. 30 Person still in search of TRUTH June 18, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Why does Christians believe in conversions?

    This is a complex question .People interpret the zeal of Christian missionaries as a blatant behavior with vested interests. But as a Church going born again baptized believer of Christ I feel the motive behind conversions can be attributed to following one or more reasons.
    If you believe in Bible the book it self speaks that all people should follow Jesus to get salvation, so it’s an obligation for all Christians to evangelize the world as bible clearly speaks to love each other and by speaking about Christ you are saving people form the hell fire and this is the great form of human love.
    If a person is a Christian and if he believes in Jesus He should obey His greatest command to go to the end of the world and preach Christianity and baptize people in the name of Father, Son and Holy Sprit.
    So it’s quite true that the mission’s motive is driven by the ardent desire to win souls and this is the most divine act for a Christian to do.
    Is this selfishness to ask people from other ethnic, cultural and religious back ground to come to Christian faith? The answer according to Christianity is it’s a selfless love.
    Religion is the driving force behind every culture. The ethnic groups are formed and are interwoven together with the chords of religion.
    In India you will find the culture is driven from Hindu religion. As Hinduism is not a religion as spoken by many Hindu activists but a way of life. This way of life has been developed from the basic teaching of Vedas, Upanishad, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Gita and other sacred Hindu books. The way of life is lead by doing good deeds to over come the cycle of reincarnation finally attaining nirvana or moksha.
    Bible clearly states that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord. So should all other forms of worship be removed and wiped out from the face of earth to establish the way of Christ. The answer is if you believe Bible Yes we have to get rid of other faiths and Jesus should only be worshiped.
    Rhetorically speaking only one form of truth can prevail and always truth is singular so we need to make a derogative choice between the two, the Bible or any other book of religion.
    To stop the prerogative idea of missions we need to ban the Bible in India as there are lot of divisive statements against Hinduism recorded in this Book which drifts the people of Sindu civilization from their traditions, culture and ethnic value system.

    Or whole India should subject to the supremacy of Christian faith and renounce their existing culture, ethnic values and religion and become followers of Christ.

    Co-existents of the two are not at all possible as the dogmas are contradictory to each other.

    Let’s make the choice, as the future depends on the right choice today.

    Nirvana -through Hindu or Christian way.

    Let’s lead a Good life pleasing to Ram or to Jesus. Let’s dump the other name and make one name supreme in our life. Whatever the decision may be we should be sure that the way we follow is the True way or the Christian will end up in heaven and we will have to face the dare consequence of hell or visa versa.

    Regards,
    A person still in search of TRUTH

  27. 31 senthil June 29, 2008 at 1:19 am

    /** Is this selfishness to ask people from other ethnic, cultural and religious back ground to come to Christian faith? **/

    If this is not selfishness, then what is..
    I never heard such open statement that destroying other culture is my religious rights.. congrats man.. so, protecting my culture is my fundamental right.. face the challenge..

    /** Bible clearly states that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord. So should all other forms of worship be removed and wiped out from the face of earth to establish the way of Christ. The answer is if you believe Bible Yes we have to get rid of other faiths and Jesus should only be worshiped.
    **/

    Thank you for accepting that bible preaches to destroy other religion.. in that case, bible cannot be holy to me, and infact, a destroyer to other religion.. it may well be categorised as evil, if it needs to be..

    /** Rhetorically speaking only one form of truth can prevail and always truth is singular so we need to make a derogative choice between the two, the Bible or any other book of religion.
    **/

    This shows your narrow mindedness, and narrowness of your religion itself..
    If it needs, i would advocate for banning bible from india, to preven t such intolerance creeping in to my society..

    great that you have accepted the true facts of your book and religion..

  28. 32 Gaganprem July 7, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Senthilraja why you are running away from truth, this may be the final call for you. You can come to Christianity I know you are going through many difficult family problems. Your children are suffering. Make your decision now and you and your house hold will be saved.
    What you should do to get saved.
    As Bible in Romans 10:9 &10 says believe in your heart that Jesus is God and accept Him as your savior with your mouth and you will be saved.
    John 1:11 says If you accept Jesus he will give you the right to become the child of God.
    If you become his child, all your family problems will be solved.
    Shed all hypocrisy and join the truth-Nirvana, Moksha or Salvation is only through JESUS.

  29. 33 Bhaskar July 15, 2008 at 7:04 am

    India was not doing badly.

    Before the British entered into India with a pretext of doing business with India, India was doing good.

    Please read the following documents and judge for yourself

    How British systematically de industrialized 18th and 19th Century India – by G. Williamson of Department of Economics, Harvard University

    wsomfaculty.case.edu/clingingsmith/India.Deind.14NOV07.pdf

    How India’s sophisticated economy was reduced to dust by Professor Peter Marshall – editor of Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

    bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/east_india_02.shtml

    Article from Times Magazine comparing India’s economy

    ..In 1600, when the East India Company was founded, Britain was generating 1.8% of the world’s GDP, while India was producing 22.5%. By 1870, at the peak of the Raj, Britain was generating 9.1%, while India had been reduced for the first time to the epitome of a Third World nation, a symbol across the globe of famine, poverty and deprivation..

    time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1649060_1649046_1649026,00.html

    Though British introduced new schooling system, we cannot definitely say that our old “pathasala” system would have failed.

    Of course all above is History and we should move on, but we should always know the good in our historic Indian Culture, trade and economy.

  30. 34 Paul September 20, 2008 at 2:28 am

    In the first place I don’t believe that the so called French guy is a Christian. He has assumed a Christian name so as to distort the truth of Christianity in India and awaken the innocent, peace-loving Hindus agains innocent Christians. What if Christians organized themselves to kill all Hindus in America, Europe and other countries? Is this in any way justified in the yes of God just because the Hindus practice another faith than Christians do? Or, rather the Hindu sanyasis or gurus are so aggressively involved in converting Christians in the West? Can you imagine the amount of money the Hindu gurus raise from Christian countries and bring home to India to support the Hindutva? No man is an Island!! In the first place we are all God’s children. A true God never teaches us to hate and kill, rahter love and live in peace- and Jesus came to give us that peace!! So did, I believe many a prophets of old. To embrace this peace doesn’t mean we are doing some harm to ourselves, rather walk in the path of true life. It is upto each person to follow what he or she likes/believes and fend for the salvation of one’s own soul. So let us stop fighting in the name of religion and start living as true Indians- as brothers and sisters. I have many good and peace-loving Hindu friends. We like to live in peace and love. Why bother us with your hate slogans- may it be a Hundu or Christian one. What do you achieve by spreading hatred and and shedding innocent blood? In the end no God is going to ask you how many you have killed for Him rather howmany you helped to live, love and be saved?

    My dear friends, no land belongs to any particular group of people or religion. If that was the case, why do we seek to cross lands and seas and strive to make a living of decent fortune? The IT industries in India function mainly with the foregn aid as you can see most of the outsourcing from foreign lands do help most Indians today make a decent living. How much of the foreign money is daily poured into India and other third world countries and as a result help everyone live and grow? Countries help each other. They have to give and take. The Christian world doesn’t shut its door to anyone and infact religion is not the criterion in hiring an indian or a foreigner in any foreign firm. So let us forget about what one practices by way of faith, rather help one another grow as dignified individuals, with mutual respect and above all ture love- and “God is Love.”

    Have to go now, but I promise to be back to talk to you again.

  31. 35 senthil September 20, 2008 at 8:20 am

    Paul,

    I am sorry, that you have distorted facts in your comments. You have conveniently ignored the enormous money power, and influence the the christian missionaries wield in india. It is they who are dead against hinduism and taking all sorts of fraudulent ways to convert the Hindus.

    THey abuse all hindu gods, create disturbances, and suppress and discriminate remaining hindus in areas where they become majority.
    The recent killing of swamy lakshmananda is a better example on how far they can stooge low to achieve their goals..

    You have conveniently ignored this..

    WHen Francois Gautier points out these, you are saying, he is trying to pit hindus against christians.. So, you want the hindus to silently accept what the missionaries are doing to them..

    /*****
    What if Christians organized themselves to kill all Hindus in America, Europe and other countries?
    *******/

    The christians in america, africa and australia had already finished eliminating native americans and native australians. All these happened in the name of christ.
    Have you forgotten the history.

    So if you have the real desire for peace, you have to stop the root of the problems.. Ask all your churches to stop denigrating hinduism and hindu gods, and to stop all conversions.. Peace will automatically return.. because, its they who are disturbing peace.. not the hindus.

  32. 36 Anguished Indian September 22, 2008 at 3:58 am

    Dear Senthil,

    I’m hoping that you’ve heard of the proverb, a person looking to find dirt will probably find dirt anywhere, even in the most clean food, and even on himself.

    Try to look at the current situation differently. Educated people like yourselves are being misled by evil forces. Does our land have to face this every 15 years or so?

    15 years back, it was the Muslims who had to bear the burden of discrimination, today it is Christians.

    Let me ask you, is Hinduism so weak, that it needs rabid evil forces to protect it?

    Haven’t you even heard of a word call ‘tolerance’? Which century are you living in, is it wrong for a person to accept any religion or non-religion if the ideology of that religion/non-religion is helping him survive?

    Why can’t you see the fact that people are surviving, lives are being built and not destroyed by inhuman forces.

    When will your eyes open?

    And for the dubious French person, stay out of my country’s business… we’ve had the Brits divide and rule on us for 200 years … we won’t let a French do the same.

  33. 37 senthil September 28, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Hinduism had become so weak after continuous assault of 200 years of cowardly act of missionaries.. those who are fighting for hinduism are Nationalists and not evil forces..

    Probably the dirty statement made by you is apt for you itself.. you seem to see evil in everything, and hence see those who are fighting against injustice as evil..

    Hindus and hindu outfits are not against any one voluntarily embracing any religion.. They are dead against only forced, illegal conversions done by all means..

    It is the missionaries who are destroying native cultures and imperialising india with their alien cult..

    FOr you the french person appears dubious, but the missionaries who adhere to vatican, and who supported the imperialistic british are good people

    Its time to introspect yourself..

  34. 38 PEACE September 29, 2008 at 3:02 am

    Get lost…YOU AND YOUR BLOG….you are just harpping on the same ring and beating round the bush….you are vicious enough that your only effort is to cause trouble for the whole humanity and make people fight each other in the name of some obsolete entities. You are neither a Hindu nor a sensible person…sorry I have to say this affront. First you should know what it means to be a true hindu. It is time to stop your nonsense. PLEASE DO..PLEASE!!

    “….Hinduism had become so weak after continuous assault of 200 years of cowardly act of missionaries.. those who are fighting for hinduism are Nationalists and not evil forces..

    Probably the dirty statement made by you is apt for you itself.. you seem to see evil in everything, and hence see those who are fighting against injustice as evil..

    Hindus and hindu outfits are not against any one voluntarily embracing any religion.. They are dead against only forced, illegal conversions done by all means..

    It is the missionaries who are destroying native cultures and imperialising india with their alien cult..

    FOr you the french person appears dubious, but the missionaries who adhere to vatican, and who supported the imperialistic british are good people

    Its time to introspect yourself..”

  35. 39 senthil September 30, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    PEACE.. why do you lose peace.. arent you harping on the same ring of voluntary ignorance..

    I am just harping on the core point, because that is the root cause of all problems.. you just dont seem to accept those.. even if you ask for 100 times, i would write the same.. because this is the root cause of the problem .. truth is same even if written 100 times.. only lies change each tiem..

  36. 40 hoooiiiii September 30, 2008 at 7:29 pm

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  37. 41 Belittled October 7, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Alas!! Is India reversing herself to the Dark Ages through the gruesome and senseless acts of violence by the cultureless religious fanatics? Indeed the great Mother India is belittled and is being torn apart by the ruthless religious fanatics. God help us!!

    “It is India’s ancient civilization that is being humiliated and the values such as Ahimsa, Truth, Tolerance, and Respect for Religions that She has jealously preserved for centuries that are being dragged to the dust. It is India’s fair name that has been tarnished and her secular and democratic image seriously damaged before the international community. These recent horrors in various parts of our country have disgraced the high ideals and principles that our wise men and saints upheld and the vision that our Founding Fathers cherished.”

  38. 42 prashant October 15, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Hey Senthil. Thanks for posting such a great article. It is the prime evidence that there exists in a great country such as India, dipshits like you who would believe any any yellow journalism with zero proof and minimum guilt.

    India has problems – poverty, corruption, illiteracy, social evils, superstitions. Yes but the “root cause” for all this is due to missionary activity, you say. How simple. Kill all christians and all our problems will vanish. Poof. Just like that.

    You live in your imaginary world along with that syphillitic Gautier, where british travelled back in time and edited Manusmriti, the teachings of Sankaracharya and the other hindu scriptures which prescribe the caste system. If anyone is trying to rewrite history, it is haters like you who try to white wash the crimes against humanity that the upper caste hindus have perperated and now they are using the tribals for their dirty work.

    Missionaries are mostly funded by the christians in India. They established schools and hospitals in remote areas among people who were considered less than animals by the glorious hindu religion. For this crime they are burned by the RSS gundas. The rapists and arsonists can rest assured that pretended intellectuals like Senthil will rise to the occasion and blame the victims and defend their satanic masters.

    Hinduism is as foregin to India as Islam and Christianity brought by the aryans from central asia and iran. Which is ironic when the RSS calls for “foreginers” to leave India. Why don’t you lead the way out Senthil?

    Who is there to shed tears for those native indians whose primitive religions and culture were anhiliated by the sanskrit speaking aryans? Not you, you lying worm Senthil.

    Repent else you and your ilk will be consumed by the same fire of hatred that you ignite.

  39. 43 Prashobh October 21, 2008 at 9:23 am

    Dear Anil Chawla,

    I read you mail and I am appalled of your justifying the brutality of the people of Orissa. I am a Hindu and an outcast. Basically my ancestors migrated from Greece to Kerala about 4000 years ago and refused to submit to the wishes of the existing castes of the area and were thus considered outcast. Somehow we managed to be leaders of our region and fought off being subdued by the higher castes. But being Greek with a similar religion we easily adopted Hinduism. The bottom line is I can understand the feelings of the outcastes of Orissa. After these attacks, the Christian Dalits of Orissa will be more sure that they live in an oppressive society and will never go back to Hinduism. The problems of Orissa came about because of simple economics. The rich land-lords had Dalits to work for them when their labour force began to question them; it became a serious enough problem for them to stir up violence. What is wrong otherwise for Dalits converting to Christians? They are not given a place in traditional Hindu society; let them liberate themselves in whatever means they can find. If the Dalits are not taught about the bottomless well of the most ancient knowledge available in Hinduism, it is the fault of the Hindus. Hindu preachers probably decided previously that it was beyond them to propagate this knowledge to the Dalits. At least from now on they should do so. Or will the land-lords also kill potential Hindu preachers for liberating the minds of the Dalits.

    The castes within Hinduism were supposed to be equal. There was supposed to be only four castes which are equivalent to the four parts of the body (society). The Brahmins represent the head, the Kshathriyas represent the shoulders, the stomach represents the Vaishas and the legs represent the Sudras. Can a person live properly without legs, stomach, shoulders or head? Each caste is as important as the rest for the body to perform. Castes should respect each other just as a person respects the work done by the different parts of the body. The system has stood the test of time, because the various types of people are needed in a country. A friend of mine did an in-depth study of Chinese history and found that the culture always followed a sequence, a wild militant king will take over, then over time the people will be rich, then religion (mainly Buddhism) will come in and a major portion of the people will be pacifist sitting down to meditate, then comes time from another outside king to conquer China and start a new dynasty. Thus Chinese culture swung from militancy, wealth, religious pacifism and then it is time for another conquest from outside. With a caste system, there will be different people performing different work in the country at all times and this can bring security to the country.

    Over time the understanding of the caste system in India weakened and we were consequently conquered. Yes, many people blame the foreigners, but we ourselves are to be blamed for our misunderstanding of the caste system over time. You mentioned about killings of the Europeans but you failed to talk about the abject slavery and killings of the lower castes or outcastes in India. As Indians we are as guilty of atrocities as the Europeans, but to our own low castes. No human like to be subdued; it is not natural for a human to submit to subjugation. A Sudra can listen to instructions more easily if they feel they are doing their duties to God, not if they feel they are being forced to work. The Brahmins were powerful in the ancient times because their mantras could give the people whatever they wanted, good crops, homes etc. When the Brahmins started forgetting some mantras, the Kshathriyas took over and ruled for a very long time. Nowadays it is the business people who are the most respected and in future when computers takes over, the instruction following Sudras will be the leaders of society.

    You mentioned 350 million Red Indians, I did a Google search but cannot find this data and I don’t believe that is true. Native Americans cannot grow to that number with the simple hunting-gathering and little farming that they did – it is impossible. The current population of USA is 300 million. There are below three million Native Americans today. America fought the Civil War to abolish slavery of the African Americans. In fact American deaths resulting from the Civil war stand at 700,000 compared to 200,000 for World War II. Basically America lost 2.3 % of it’s population to the Civil War compared to 0.23% in WWII, which seems like a just emancipation for all the wrongs committed during the heights of slavery.

    Not that I support what the Europeans did but we cannot deny the fact that India is a manifestation of the British. India did not exist till the British made it. If not for the British, India would be just like the Middle East, a whole region of people with the same culture living in confronting countries. Though the British took away a lot, they did bring about some virtues, which we must be thankful for. They abolished suttee (don’t know where that culture came from, it is not in our scriptures) and gave us our system of law. No more are the super rich sultans or other kings taking 90% of the wealth and leaving the rest to eek out a living with 10%. They gave us education in an unbiased manner to all castes. And of course we have to be thankful for the railroads they built.

    Thanks,
    Prashobh Karunakaran
    In reply to letter between Anil Chawla and Francois
    ============================================================

    Dear Anil,

    It’s a long time we haven’t heard from each other but I do hope you and your
    family are going well. From time to time I have a look at your website to
    read the new articles and I haven’t lost will to write you some thoughts
    about “Hindu Dharm ? Global Religion of the Modern World”.

    But today I wanted, apart from sending warm greetings, to express my deep
    concern about the violence committed against Christian in India and
    especially in the state of Orissa. Regularly I read about difficulties (and
    even more) for Christians in your country and the situation is sadly getting
    worst.

    I was wondering if you Anil, as a writer, you would be a voice to condemn
    these violence?

    ‘The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.’ So wrote Tertullian in
    the third century but there are also many poor people how are suffering
    because of evil and unjust actions.

    It’s probably not your role to do that so it’s maybe more sharing a concern
    than asking something.

    I’ll be glad to read some news when you have time and have a good week-end.

    Francois
    ______________________________________

    Dear Francois,

    Good to hear from you after such a long time. I reciprocate your greetings
    with all the warmth and good wishes.

    I agree with you that the violence in Orissa or for that matter in any part
    of the world is a matter of concern. I shall like that the process of
    reconverting misguided souls is carried out by love and compassion instead
    of violence. Hence, I condemn use of violence.

    Having said that let us keep the whole issue in a broader perspective. Dear
    Francois, if you trace your family history back to beyond 1200 CE, you will
    find that your ancestors were forced to convert to Christianity in a most
    brutal and inhuman manner using the worst possible instruments of torture.
    You will appreciate that the christianization of Europe was carried out over
    the past eight / nine hundred years by barbarians using methods that cannot
    even be described in civil society. Burning of witches and inquisitions in
    Spain and Portugal are better known because they occured hardly four
    centuries ago.

    Christianization of Europe was brutal, but it was nothing compared to what
    was done in America and Africa. In America more than 350 million aboriginals
    were killed by the settlers with a cross in their hand. Africans were traded
    as slaves and Church supported this in the name of Jesus.

    Dear Francois, it is high time that everyone realizes that the worst crimes
    have been committed in the past one thousand years in the name of Holy
    Jesus. Colonialism, Imperialism, Slavery, Human Trafficiking, Inquisitions,
    Witch Burning, Genocide, Torture of heretics – all this has been done in the
    name of someone who probably did not believe in violence.

    I have greatest regards for Jesus, but I am not willing to deny history.
    Your as well as my ancestors and brethren have suffered at the hands of
    barbarians who carried cross in their hand.

    The way I put it is that about 1000 years ago, barbarians took over the
    Church and started a war against civilized people, which included your
    ancestors. In the last 1000 years, followers of Church have killed,
    tortured, maimed, raped, plundered, looted and destroyed life, property,
    culture and civilization of hundreds of millions of people.

    Fortunately, the truth is beginning to dawn and people are now seeing
    Christianity and Church in its true form. The brutal war on humanity was
    started by the Church. Humanity is just beginning to wake up against it.

    When we condemn the violence in Orissa, it is important to have the above
    historical perspective. The Church is trying to do in Orissa what it did to
    your ancestors in Europe eight or nine centuries ago. Indians have more
    experience of fighting onslaught of such barbarians than your ancestors had.
    We have survived and preserved our religious traditions through Muslim rule
    as well as through British rule. We know how to fight.

    In this thousand year war, where Church has killed hundreds of millions, it
    is surprising that they cry hoarse when some minor casualities happen on
    their side. The total deaths in Orissa due to communal violence are not even
    a miniscule percentage of the people that were brutally tortured and killed
    by Portugal Catholic Church during inquistions in Goa from 1540 to 1812.

    I do not wish that Hindus adopt the barbaric methods of the Church, but let
    the Church and evangelicals not preach to us about non-violence. Expressions
    of concern are needed first for my Hindu brethren who were tortured in Goa.
    If Church has no regret for inquisitions / witch burning / slavery /
    colonialism / imperialism, let them shut their mouth and not talk about
    human suffering.

    Hope that you will have the courage to look at the truth and see the history
    of your own pre-Christian ancestors before you express concern about
    violence in Orissa.

    Thanks & Regards,

    Anil Chawla

  40. 44 a well wisher October 23, 2008 at 1:47 am

    what a great blunder Anil Chawala

  41. 45 brahaspati October 23, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Anil Chawla ji

    That is what I call a most sensible, blunt, direct, brilliant reply. But I doubt whether the church will pay heed. They are condemned to historical oblivion. They will be pushed to the dark, dinghy chapels of middle east from where they came calling the world.

    This is India, and here is Hinduism that swept Buddhism, that first evengelical faith off its feet and left no trace of it. Christianity will first get his historic beating here and the rest of the world will follow. The next target will be Islam.

    Veda

  42. 46 True Culture? October 24, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Yes it did happened last year in India in a state called Tamil Nadu. A man named Selvar Kumar 33 married a bitch age 3. He was told by an astrologer that if he marries a bitch, he will probably get rid of the curse for killing two dogs 15 years ago.
    According to the details when he killed two dogs and within four days he suffered from paralysis. After medical treatment he didn’t see any improvement so he decided to take an advice from an astrologer. He was told by the astrologer that the only way to get rid of the curse is to marry a bitch. He agreed to marry a bitch. The marriage ceremony took place at the local temple at his village.

    On his wedding ceremony he wore a dhoti which is the traditional dress of the groom whereas the bride (bitch) was dressed in a saree. According to Hindu tradition the bride groom tie a thread known as mangal sutar around the bride neck. He ended the ceremony by tieing mangal sutar around the bride’s neck. 200 guests attended the wedding ceremony. The bride after feeling restless ran away but was later captured and brought to the bride groom who gave her milk and a bun to eat.

  43. 47 Venkat October 25, 2008 at 5:41 am

    But this is a case of an unenlightened Tamil person. Whay the enlightened Europe killed 13 lakh innocent women just because they were good nurses, natural doctors, midwifes, saints and so on ? Calling them witches is worse than marrying a bitch.

  44. 48 Culture October 25, 2008 at 7:00 am

    “He was told by AN ASTROLOGER that if he marries a bitch, he will probably get rid of the curse for killing two dogs 15 years ago.”

    Dear Venkat, is the astrologer enlightened or not? So would you marry a bitch? I am glad your own education is so much enlightening. Go and educate them first before you accuse what has happened in the forgotten century. Good Luck!!

  45. 49 senthil October 25, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Mr. Culture..

    What do you mean by enlightened? Then we can discuss further..

    And what do you want to convey by your message? clearly a hatred on hinduism..

    Just look at the following news..
    http://www.timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=19458

    What do you say for the bishop who used the blood of the woman he adopted?

    This time, We are not going to be apolegetic or defending about your allegations..

    I see that person who married the bitch, as a mark of indic way of seeing all living things as equal.. not the kind of excluvist theory of christianity, where only humans have soul and animals dont have..

    And certainly the act and intention of that man is far better than the bishop who exhibited his cowardice in justifying his illicit relationship with that nun..

    Again, having me stated these, you would start your hatred allegation on me being not rational, or uneducated or whatelse..

  46. 50 Ram October 26, 2008 at 7:52 am

    Keep up your good works senthilman…oh no gentleman. When you comment on an article, read well into it to see what exactly is writte there. The woman wasn’t a nun in the first place. Don’t try to play an all-knowing superstar and the role of an advocate of Hinduism. In fact you are not helping us Hindus, but rather betraying us. You don’t have to take up the role of a Hindu-promoter. Time to stop your nonsense by trying to make people hate and fight in the name of religions.

  47. 51 senthil October 27, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Ram,

    You can replace the word nun with woman.. before alleging others as nonsense, look at the core thing and not at the literals..

    Btw, i am not a hindu promoter.. i just highlight the dangers faced by hinduism..

    Its time for you to stop allegations and look at the larger things..

    atleast try to comment in your own name..

  48. 52 Veda October 29, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    But ‘culture’ has showed his colours. Venkat may or may not marry a bitch, but ‘culture’ is already wedded to the Semitic rubbishianities that promote killing in the name of religion. The higher their ’saints’, the viler they can become.

    The highest man in Vatcan is said to eat the tender tongue (duly roasted) of a calf still in its mother’s womb! But still they preach love! Unconditional love ! How is that ?

    The cross had the sword as its companion and is the greatest killer of mankind. The 35 crores of American natives of Mayan and Incan civilizations who were massacred in less than a century, the victims of the middle east and european crusade wars, the Goan inquisition victims, the African victims, …. Oh !the cross has done considerable damage to God’s scheme of things on earth.

    Or is it devil in the garb of divinity ? Look at their greatest promoter- Bush. Looks Humankind’s worst fears are coming true.

  49. 53 Roger October 30, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Can some body answer me about caste system?

    Hinduism is Illogical.
    Only Four castes are recognized and What about the rest of the Castes existing?

  50. 54 Roger October 30, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Dalits and tribal should not be educated becoz they will question the upper caste Hindus?

  51. 55 brahaspati October 30, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Roger

    Please some standard texts for Hindu religious info and caste system.

    BTW, please tell me how blacks are treated in Christian nations ? Even in their own (?) nations in Africa, what is their status ? Does Christianity allow slavery ?

  52. 56 culture October 30, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Veda,

    Cows are going to be slaughtered all over the world, do what you can to stop it. You have a choice whether or not to eat ‘em. Actually I am going to kill one today. Good luck!!

  53. 57 DARE October 30, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Hindu Prostitution, Pimping and Holy Devdasi Temple Prostitution.
    Please read the following and see if you would still like to pursue slandering priests and ministeres of non-Hindu religions. Good luck!!

    Hindu priests, the holy men of Hinduism require sex slaves for their ummm… needs. These upper caste Hindus known as brahmins happen to be the architects of caste system in India. As well as its upkeepers in this age. Instead of having sex with their wives, these ‘holy men’ rear penniless low caste Hindu women into ‘holy prostitution’ or the process of making them ‘Devdasis’. The devdasis are owned by their brahmin priests and traded among them like cattle. They have no rights as wives or even as sexual partners. If they get pregnant, the child is never accepted by the brahmin father. They are never given any choice to leave the despicable occupation. Rather, they are reared as sex slaves of the Hindu religious class.

    If Hindu “holy men” are capable of such barbarian abominations, what can you say about ordinary Hindus? An interesting point is that high caste Hindus such as these pimp-priests never touch or eat in the vessel of low caste “inferior” Hindus. Yet they have no issues in having sex with them!

    What can non-Hindus expect if this is the status of Hindu girls in hinduism?

  54. 58 srivai October 31, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    what a beautiful and big blog anna yours is and i read only one page .
    Your article is very nice . you can write still more and can you write about purandharadasar . if you write it many comments would come to you and please send my blogs link to everyone.
    regards
    v sri vaibhav

  55. 59 DARE,CULTURE,SAD...... October 31, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    I am thankful to the short and sweet note by this little kid Vaibhav. I used to respond tit for tat so far. But looking at this childlike and innocent attitude of this little cutie, I stop reciprocating in any way that would hurt anyone, no matter what religion one follows. May this kid teach us all a great lesson of LOVE, SIMPLICITY & TOLERANCE!! May the love of God permeate our whole being and enable us to see everyone as he or she is and above all see God in all!! Sorry if I have hurt anyone!!

    MAY THIS CHILD BE AN EXAMPLE FOR ALL OF US!!

  56. 60 senthil November 1, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Mr. Dare, culture and SAD,

    what you have written is utter bullshit.. pls substantiate your allegations..

    The devadasi system was made in to prostitution by the britishers.. before them, the devadasis had large endowments in her name..
    She had the rights to choose her mate, and the main duty of devadasi is to practice dance and arts, and perform in the temple.. since she is out of family structure, she is being wedded to the god, to prevent abuse..

    I dont deny brahmins having sex with devadasis.. these incidents may have happened.. and its out of voluntary and NOT like exploitative prostitution which was introduced by white supremacist britisher where they just exploit women for few pennies….

    People like you can never understand these.. and if you want to further throw away allegations, you can.. remember.. we just point out happenings.. and you just throw away hatred and baseless allegations..

    It shows the difference b/w a hindu and a semitic..

  57. 61 senthil November 1, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Mr Culture..
    Cows are slaughtered all over world.. and you are going to kill one.. no wonders in it.. then why do you preach love to others.. you have exposed yourself, and its hightime stop slandering others..

  58. 62 DARE November 1, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Senthil,
    You don’t seem to see the speck under your own eyes. You do not deserve anymore answer henceforth. This is my last reply to you: FEND FOR YOURSELF. I THINK YOU HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO. AND I HAVE MINE TOO. HOW EASY IS IT TO BLAME THE PAST AND BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE FOR YOUR OWN FAULTS? LEAVE THE BRITISH ALONE. PAST IS PAST, FOCUS ON THE PRESENT AND THE FUTURE. FIRST CLEANSE YOUR OWN HOUSEHOLD. EVEN IF YOU AND I LIVED FOR ANOTHER THOUSAND YEARS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUNISH OR CHANGE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST. YOU PROBLEM IS THAT YOU LOVE TO LIVE IN THE PAST AND PREACH AGAINST A BUNCH OF PEOPLE YOU CAN NEVER EVEN DREAM TO PUNISH. EVEN YOUR CHILDREN ARE GOING TO TURN AGAINST YOU FOR YOUR BLUNDER AND OBSOLETE RHETORIC. GOOD BYE BUDDY. DON’T WORRY…YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO CHANGE YOUR VERY ATTITUDE TO HUMANITY, ESPECIALLY NON-HINDUS. ONE MORE THING: Y O U ARE GREAT. GOD SPEED!!

  59. 63 MOSES November 27, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Dear Francis, u cant understand christ because ur wife is a hindu u r having a mental problem. Christians were the people who united this country from Afghanistan to Srilanka and GUjarat to Assam. Can u imagine any hindu king done any good to his people,the so called Rama killed a dalit named SOMBHU because he is meditating what a fine GOD who leaves his wife in jungle who is in advance stage even a dog being an animal mates with the partner twice a year never leaves its partner till it delivers what a funny GOD u have only cheating my loving country which was the oldest civilization in the world hail dravid THIRU DRAVID

  60. 64 nikhil January 11, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Why does hinduism look so insecure?? guys like you do all the more to establish the fear….

    if you are in the light, whats the fear about??

  61. 65 Arpit Bakshi February 4, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Dear Senthil..
    I am a Northie Punjabi and these dirty Deeds of conversion are happening in North too..
    I have heard that Senthil means Lord Murugan..!!

    I am with you..

    This time no more differences on False Aryan Dravidian Divide created by Max Muller..
    We were are and will be one and make sure this Bharat Varsha is dedicatedto Shiva, Vishnu, Vidhi, Mahaveer, Nanak, Buddha..!!

    Vande Mataram..!!

    Jayatu Bharatam..!!

  62. 66 Prabhul Kumar February 10, 2009 at 1:17 am

    Arpit,
    Good thoughts on your part…dream on. But you are plaannning your own ruin. Why don’t your think something constructive?

  63. 67 Alphanso February 13, 2009 at 6:42 am

    I totally agree with the article on the Christianity. Today the world faces two major catastrophic threats – Islamic terrorism/Christian evangelism and Global warming crisis. The first one is due to arrogance of aggressive faiths which will destroy all ancient pagan traditions and the other due to mindless materialism which will destroy the fragile eco system of Mother Nature.

  64. 68 WORD Of GOD March 2, 2009 at 1:21 am

    “If someone strikes you on the cheek, offer him the other one as well, and if someone takes your coat, don’t keep back your shirt, either.” (Bible: Luke: 6:29)

    Many world leaders, including Mahathma Gandhi, the Father of the Nation of India, have been influenced by the words of Jesus.

    Let peace and joy prevail in the world.

  65. 69 alwayssaynotoracism March 4, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    Hi Senthil

    I have added your blog as ones I follow at http://victimofprejudice.blogspot.com/

    In my CONNECTING THE DOTS section I ask ( Top Left hand Corner )

    “West plans to create “Christian Nation” with Tamil Nadu + LTTE ? See the Norway link. Though most Tamilian civilians are Hindus the LTTE leadership may be ‘CONVERTED’”

    This is very disturbing. What are your thoughts? Please let more Tamil folks also know, I am assuming you are one.

    regards
    VOR

  66. 70 alwayssaynotoracism March 4, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    WORD Of GOD,

    The question is which GOD?

    > Many world leaders, including Mahathma Gandhi, the Father of the Nation of India, have been influenced by the words of Jesus.

    Mahatma Gandhi said Conversion is a poison that saps the fountain of Truth. He also said these http://www.stephen-knapp.com/mahatma_gandhi_on_conversion.htm

    > Many world leaders

    Yes, check this out please.

    http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/famous-quotes-christianity.html

  67. 71 Nikhil Thakur March 6, 2009 at 2:15 am

    What should be disturbing to the fanatic hindus is not the involvement of Christian missionaries in many parts of the world rather it should be the very double standards of hindus in the world. When hindus evangelize in America and the West, it is called “defending/demonstrating their religion” (quite conversion)but when Christians do it in India and other places, it is called “forceful conversion” or proselytizing, hence killing not only the missionaries, but eliminating Christians as a whole, as is the motto of all fanatic hindu organizations. What a pity and what a paradox!! Please know only so much: the very West you try to convert, is beginning to realize that you fanatic Hindus use the western dollars/euro/others to convert and kill, especially the poor Christians in India. The awakening is afoot. The hindu charitable organizations which fund terrorism in india and other parts of the world are already under observation. Time is up: either you quit your hidden agenda!! Or “Do unto others as you would have them do to you.”
    Stop figting, start living…no matter what religion you are, because it is the right of any individual to embrace and practice what one believes; not only in India but anywhere for that matter: NO DOUBLE STANDARDS PLEASE..ie., Hindus in America can convert Christians in Amerca and the West, but Christians in India cannot even have their individual rights, not even right to speech, not to mention conversion and aiding the poor there.

  68. 72 alwayssaynotoracism April 9, 2009 at 6:45 am

    Nikhil “crypto-christian” Thakur,

    Your whole post is loaded with lies. OK now listern to what a rational and decent Christian says

    http://c-alex-alexander.sulekha.com/blog/post/2003/05/proselytization-in-india-an-indian-christian-s-perspective.htm

  69. 73 Nikhil Thakur April 10, 2009 at 1:21 am

    What should be disturbing to the fanatic hindus is not the involvement of Christian missionaries in many parts of the world rather it should be the very double standards of hindus in the world. When hindus evangelize in America and the West, it is called “defending/demonstrating their religion” (quite conversion)but when Christians do it in India and other places, it is called “forceful conversion” or proselytizing, hence killing not only the missionaries, but eliminating Christians as a whole, as is the motto of all fanatic hindu organizations. What a pity and what a paradox!! Please know only so much: the very West you try to convert, is beginning to realize that you fanatic Hindus use the western dollars/euro/others to convert and kill, especially the poor Christians in India. The awakening is afoot. The hindu charitable organizations which fund terrorism in india and other parts of the world are already under observation. Time is up: either you quit your hidden agenda!! Or “Do unto others as you would have them do to you.”
    Stop figting, start living…no matter what religion you are, because it is the right of any individual to embrace and practice what one believes; not only in India but anywhere for that matter: NO DOUBLE STANDARDS PLEASE..ie., Hindus in America can convert Christians in Amerca and the West, but Christians in India cannot even have their individual rights, not even right to speech, not to mention conversion and aiding the poor there.

  70. 74 alwayssaynotoracism April 10, 2009 at 8:58 am

    Nikhil “crypto-christian” Thakur,

    Are you becoming delusional?

    “The son of God is the same as the son of man; the son of man is the same as the son of God. God, the father, is the same as Christ, the son; Christ, the son, is the same as God, the father. This language may appear confused to unbelievers, but Christians will readily understand it” — Voltaire

    ENJOY READING THIS!
    http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/famous-quotes-christianity.html

  71. 75 alwayssaynotoracism April 10, 2009 at 9:02 am

    Once you finish reading you can do what these smart folks did in Briton

    100,000 secular Britons seek ‘de-baptism’
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090330/ts_afp/lifestylebritainreligionatheismfeature

    Be smart, don’t accept the garbage discarded by the west.

    The End of Christian America
    The percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 points in the past two decades.
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583?GT1=43002

    After studying all this you can also get a certificate!
    http://www.secularism.org.uk/debaptism.html

  72. 76 senthil April 10, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Mr. Nikhil.. Hinduism prevails in america mostly among the migrated indians.. there is no evangelism of hinduism there.. its only the extension of bakthi movement among migrated hindus, where some american hindus also participate..

    But christian conversion in india is a forceful with full of deciet.. the missionaries not just convert, but play havoc in each community they target.. these missionaries were supported by christian nations, and particularly the vatican..

    You cannot compare christianity in india, and hinduism in america..

    secondly, the christian missionaries in india abuse hindu gods, and proclaim “Jesus is the only true god, and all other gods are false”. They insult native religion by saying that native gods are satans and evil spirit..

    None of the hindus in america does like that..

    Converted christians in india are banned from worshipping their native gods.. whereas, the hindu converts in america is free to choose any of their god.. they can worship jesus, and also the hindu gods..

    Christianity in india is mostly spread by foreign missionaries backed by foreign christian governments with heavy funding.

    Whereas hinduism in america are spread by the converted americans, who out of their devotion and involvement, spread hinduism there..

    Christian missionaries in india indulge in elimination of native religious leaders like that in kandhamal.. a lot of native tribal leaders were killed in North east..

    However, hindus in america doesnt indulge in nasty politics.. they are peaceful community independant of the polity.. they do not cause disturbance in other communities..

    So before alleging something, take time to study yourself..

  73. 77 David April 20, 2009 at 1:55 am

    Yes, I read your article and I must make a slight correction: You wrote that gifts are used to lure hindus to the faith: This is simply not true. The Christian churches in India neither use this practice nor do they engage in any illegal or immoral practices. (or even unethical) You see, what the people of India want when they are interested in the Lord Jesus Christ is the promise of salvation. When the Holy Spirit enters the believer at the time when a person believes, the Holy Spirit makes the new believer into a new person, from the heart. It makes him (or her) want to help their neighbors, their families and He (The Holy Spirit) gives them hope for the new world that is to come. Christians are very good people and should not be attacked. I am very suprised that Hindus, who have had such a good reputation in the past, are now acting like muslims when they violently attack Christians and kill them. I assure you that if Hinduism becomes violent and evil like Islam, then all of the people of India will reject Hinduism and become Christains. In a modern country, there is a recognition that what a person worships does not make them subject to violence and beatings. In the USA, we have an excellent human-rights record because we do not allow fanatics to control the situation: All people of all faiths are protected. I do pray for the day that Indians will respect the rights of converts and treat them like any normal person. I do thank you for your time.

  74. 78 VoP April 22, 2009 at 6:44 am

    David,

    I have lot of corrections for you.

    > I am very suprised that Hindus, who have had such a good reputation in the past, are now acting like muslims when they violently attack Christians and kill them.

    That’s because christians started acting like muslims. Isn’t it strange that the peace between christians and Hindus are broken ever since POPE’S INTOLERANT CLARION CALL TO “PLANT CROSS IN ASIA IN THE 3RD MILLENIUM” Since then Evangelical Christians in India are attacking Hindus. See my other post for evidence and below.

    > Christians are very good people and should not be attacked

    Are you sure you are not delusional? History says the opposite

    Christian Terrorism in Northeast India
    http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm

    1. ONGOING GENOCIDES => freetruth.50webs.org/D4a.htm
    2. RECENT GENOCIDES => freetruth.50webs.org/D3.htm
    2000 YEARS of HELL on EARTH => freetruth.50webs.org/A4a.htm

    Christians have killed the most number of human beings on planet Earth in the name of their god for 2000 years on 6 continents, some say about 2 BILLION!

    Of course I have to ignore rest of your bible thumpers’ logic and propoganda! Thank you for your time. You will need a lot of time reading the Christian atrocities heaped on mankind for 2000 years which continues even today.

  75. 79 VoP April 22, 2009 at 10:59 am

    David

    Read this also. Dr. Mrs. Hilda Raja is a Retired Professor of Social Science from “Stella Maris College”, Chennai. She regularly writes Letters to the Editors and occasionally writes Columns too. Apart from being a practicing Catholic Christian, she is a true nationalist, who values the cultural heritage of this great country and respects the Hindu tradition too.

    http://honestreporting.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/dont-convert-rejoinder/

  76. 80 Wilson William May 4, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Dear Mr.Francois Gautier i am very much annoyed by your ignorance of the history of India and the principles of Christianity. First of all India is not a Hindu country. It is a union of many cultures, religions, thoughts. There was nothing as Hinduism or India before the arrival of Britishers. Britishers for their administration sake they united all these diverse cultures as Indian Union. The Brahmins arrived in India through passes in the Himalayas seeking grass for their cattle ended up in the Ganges valley and they occupied all the green areas of India. They captured the culture, traditions of natives of this land and dominated every kingdoms formed in this nation as second in administration. Even in the government of the Britishers they enjoyed the second positions. They knew how to be flexible with the governing people. They skill fully destroyed everything Indian territories had before. They divided all the people of this land with caste system. They never allowed any one else to receive education or wealth. They never allowed any one to come up from their down trodden conditions. Instead they found ways to put them down by being flexible to the rulers of India. They even were willing to sacrifice their women for their cause. (gifted their women) They will never allow any one stand against manusmrithi,(the advocate of cast ism) which is called as the manu dharma. Even now their protest against Christians is an attempt to reestablish manu dharma. There is no single God to worship.. Every body can find their own God to worship. Now there is nothing to worry for the hindutva activists for people becoming christians. Accepting another God is not against the basics of Hinduism. Other wise let them tell who among their Gods is the greatest that every one in India may follow. There are 330 million gods and what is the problem if a majority start to worship Jesus or X or Y. The only problem is Christians are the ones who created awareness among the down trodden that they don’t have to live the life of a fourth fifth class citizens and that they can raise to highest of standards. Because of this millions of the Dalits and the socially outcast received education and became equal with Brahmins. Now they are sharing key posts with them. Now the Brahmins cannnot just digest it. More over they are unable to find slaves to serve their purpose which helped them to live a royal life in India. All that they want is if they close india for christians they can reestablish their kingdom..

  77. 81 VoP May 9, 2009 at 3:09 am

    Wilson William you should stick to making money with “Home Based Jobs”. All Considering your ignorance revealed in your post I am not sure what good are you at that! I can say is what is taught in your Christian seminary about Hinduism is garbage.

  78. 82 Incognito May 9, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    Congrats Senthil and VoP.

    The consistent attacks from evangelists on this blog are indicative of the extensive efforts that is being made by the church towards intellectual subversion on internet.

  79. 83 senthil May 9, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    wilson william,

    You have come with full of false data that you need a complete history lesson.. let me clear your wrong understanding..

    1. India has been the hindu country and is also now the hindu country, ruled by sickular cowards.

    2. Brahmins has been in india from time immemorial, and for your info, brahmins are NOT a race.. they are the people who perform religious rites.. there are brahmins who are white and there are also brahmins who are dark skinned.. You need to come out of your racist semitic intolerance to understand these.

    3. /** They skill fully destroyed everything Indian territories had before. They divided all the people of this land with caste system. **/

    Can you please explain what was there before the brahmins came as claimed by you? i know you will not have an answer…

    Secondly suppose, even if your accusations is assumed to be true, can we compare it with the extent of destruction that the church and missionaries had done to the whole world? I believe, on any account, the destruction of indigenous aborigines, the 10 crore red indians, by the missionaries in the name of one true god, cannot be compared to any thing else in the known history of the world..
    Those who live in glass house should not throw stones (that too false stones) at others..

    4. And please again read your comments again.. Dont it resemble the characteristics of the missionaries and churches.. do compare your comment with the below one…

    the church had destroyed all native people whereever they went. They did not allow the labourers and servants to receive education in england (as it would enable them to read paganistic scriptures). They destroyed the whole pagan temples in europe, and all scriptures/books related to pagan culture. They converted or killed all paganists and pantheists. They killed anyone who was against Bible. They proclaimed that jesus is the only true god and all others are false and satans. They killed all religious leaders of the other religions. (the latest one being swami lakshmananda saraswati)

    Now, i was not surprised, how you are able to throw so much allegations.. its all ingrained in your own religion that you want to pass on the buck and blame on others for you to escape from your own sin..

    We accept that there are 30 million gods or 300 million gods.. But can you explain, why there is only one god in your religion and why no other gods are allowed in your christianity?

    • 84 wilson william May 16, 2009 at 4:26 pm

      Hello Senthil, I understand you are the representative of the Brahmin community which has always tried to be on the top of others. Mr Senthil you first must read and learn Indian History. Read this article by Dr.Harsh
      http://superhindus.wordpress.com/how-brahmins-killed-buddhism-in-india/

      • 85 alwayssaynotoracism May 17, 2009 at 6:08 am

        Wilson wilson,

        Repeating a lie a 1000 times does not make it true. The ‘about’ section of your link says it all – “Documenting Super Hindus and their enormous crimes around the globe”. If this lie were true the western countries would have been screaming like how they scream about Christian Hitler for killing 60000000 jews.

        So don’t bring missionary sites to prove your lies, you are pathetic. Meanwhile do read these web sites coming from Christians who abandoned Christianity for good.

        Hitler’s Christianity
        http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

        Things They Don’t Tell You
        http://freetruth.50webs.org/Index.htm

        If you are done with this let me know

  80. 86 VoP May 14, 2009 at 6:39 am

    Every Tamilian should know the games missionaries play. Please watch the video for prolonged tight hugs and kisses!

    http://myexperimentsagainstprejudice.blogspot.com/2009/05/dynamic-wedding-christian-thugs.html


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